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I'm not arguing the point for normal operations, but in this specific
case, the PTFs would be on as *PERM for a few hours to a few days tops. 


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When you come to a point that a *PERM applied PTF drives you into a
bridge abutment, and you have to reload the entire OS, you won't take
this so lightly anymore.  Temp applied PTFs were an expensive luxury on
the
System/38 and early CISC boxes, IMHO they are just fine today.

At one point or another, I have to invest the disk space (getting less
and less expensive by the day), every time I save a reload of a current
release (and I've personally done it 3 times) by removing a *TEMP
applied PTF, I thank my lucky stars.

Al

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You know, though, if you've been running at that PTF level for a while
without any issues, and since in this case it's applying them perm
immediately before an OS upgrade which should replace all that code
anyway, I don't see any harm in doing the apply other than the downtime
for the (probably necessary) IPL to do the apply.

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You're preaching to the choir, brother. But she's old school.

Thanks,

Mark

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It's not only not necessary, it can be downright dangerous, but I've
said enough on that on some of my recent posts.

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That looks like the plan right now. We're planning our upgrade to V5R3,
and I always like to get a 21 save before. Just in case. Plus my boss
insists on applying all of the PTFs *perm before the upgrade. I don't
think it's necessary any more, but I do what I'm told.

Thanks,

Mark

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Hi Mark,

There's a field that you can set on the SAVE 21 screen to make it delay
until a certain time. So, you could just sign on to the system console
on Friday before you leave the office and tell it to wait.

If that doesn't do the job, you can also edit the source code.  Use
RTVCLSRC on program QMNSAVE to get the source code, then you can add
delays or whatever you need.  (I wouldn't actually change the
IBM-supplied object, but you could make your own copy and use that...)

I don't know if it'll work as a batch job, or if it needs to be
interactive -- but, at least for us, the system console can just be left
on over the weekend, so we can set it up with a DLYJOB or two and then I
don't have to make a special trip into the office.

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 MWalter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> At V5R2, can GO SAVE option 21 be submitted as a batch job to QCTL?
> I'd like to do a complete system save, then an IPL, but I don't want 
> to have
to
> come in on a Saturday Night at midnight. Who does?
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