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Oh, trust me, I'm not going down without a fight. I simply said "sure, intel may be cheaper, but what's the cost of downtime?" -----Original Message----- From: Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:23 AM To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: RE: The IBM iSeries word from FOSE... Huh, Oracle and cheaper actually used in the same sentence. :-) Seriously folks, while it may not be your responsibility I'd always recommend passing your concerns on to IBM. I vaguely remember a discussion somewhere about IBM creating resources for threatened customers (white papers, sales support, etc.). I think if the situation is presented to the right people at IBM and your company is willing to listen, they will defend the platform veraciously. So far I have found Peter Bingaman, Mark Shearer, Bob McCormick, Malcolm Haines, etc. to be very approachable. Of course if your management is not willing to listen or to try you may not have much of an option. If they are of an open mind, you have a chance......I'd recommend trying. Tell them your story and ask for help...... With the i5's, hardware maintenance, software maintenance, and support personnel costs analyzed I think that you will find the iSeries to not always be more expensive. In fact I think it would tend to be on the cheaper side....of course mileage will vary and not every situation is the same..... Michael Crump Manager, Computing Services Saint-Gobain Containers 1509 S. Macedonia Ave. Muncie, IN 47302 (765)741-7696 (765)741-7012 f (800)428-8642 "The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just" Abraham Lincoln boyd bill <bill.boyd@tggrou pna.com> To Midrange Systems Technical 04/07/2005 10:01 Discussion AM <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Please respond to Subject Midrange Systems RE: The IBM iSeries word from Technical FOSE... Discussion <midrange-l@midra nge.com> I was just told in a meeting last week that we have to move off of the AS/400 and to something cheaper and that will support Oracle starting next year. While I doubt it will actually happen next year since we always seem to be behind, it does seem inevitable that our iseries days are numbered at my shop. -----Original Message----- From: Don [mailto:dr2@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:40 AM To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: The IBM iSeries word from FOSE... Here in DC, we have an annual BIG expo of techno vendors, wares, etc. It's kinda like the governments COMDEX if you will, it's just better run and attended than COMDEX. Dell had a BIG booth and well staffed. HP had a BIG booth and well staffed... Apple had a BIG booth and well staffed... ...as did alot of the major vendors....and these booths were BUSY. IBM's booth, when I finally found it, was one guy sitting on a corner postage stamp size of space with a little sign attached to a xSeries cluster server saying "Linux DB2". When I poped by to see what was going on, he was complaining that his blade server had been stolen the night before. When I asked him about ANY ANY ANY iSeries representation at the conference, I was told there wasn't any and further"...I don't do AS/400..." Frankly, it was safer for me to just walk away. SO, is it any wonder that people here don't think of iSeries as contemporary technology? Is it any wonder that people here are very eager to buy Dell and HP Servers? Has ANYONE in Somers reviewed the current sales/marketing model (beyond radio/TV/Print spots) and seen where it REALLY NEEDS to be improved? No, you may not book alot of sales at a FOSE type event, BUT you do get/keep market recognition...something that OS/400 has very little of anymore. Is it really any wonder why in our User Group meeting this week I was once again deluged by people lamenting how hard it is to find work on a AS400/iSeries/i5/(insert name here) ??? I don't give a damn if you call me a cormudgeon or not! I'm in the trenches here and I'm getting lots of calls for help from folks that are seriousely looking for work....and there's REAL REASONS why there is none... Starting with "...I don't do AS/400...." and the current sales models. 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