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RE: Fwd: Need Help Against Unethical California SoftwareBusiness Practices

The question is, have any of them ever paid the invoice?

Probably not, huh?

John Brandt 
iStudio400.com 
(903) 523-0708 
Home of iS/ODBC - MSSQL access from iSeries and RPG. 




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SoftwareBusiness Practices


I have sent invoices to doctors and others who have kept me waiting more 
than 30 minutes past my scheduled appointment time. It works wonders with 
punctuality thereafter.


Paul Nelson
Arbor Solutions, Inc.
708-670-6978  Cell
pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx





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Maybe you could start sending them invoices to compensate you for your
"invoice processing" time and legal fees.





  
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Invoice spam?  Bill everyone and hope that x% just pay the bill without
thinking.  Having no phone or email contact reduces your expense enough to
make it profitable.

Rob Berendt
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Group Dekko Services, LLC
Dept 01.073
PO Box 2000
Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
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We too are receiving monthly bills.  We had just an evaluation system, PC
and all.  Would not run what we needed so we returned it.  Every so often
we
get an invoice from them.  Accounting now hand delivers to the corporate
lawyer.  Will never do business with them.  Cannot call them, no response
to
e-mails, They don't seem to exist except in invoice land...

Chris Bipes

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Well...they *are* entering into that unholy 'Midrange Alliance' with
Microsoft...maybe California Software is trying to impress  Microsoft
with their business practices.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cluke" <>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc
> Subject: Need Help Against Unethical California Software Business
Practices
>
>
> > Dear iSeries community:
> >
> > AVOID DOING BUSINESS WITH CALIFORNIA SOFTWARE.
> >
> > I purchased a personal copy of Baby/400 from California Software in
> > 1998 for around $1K. I used the product for about three months, didn't
> > like it, and uninstalled it in the Spring of 1999, at which point I
> > conducted no further business or correspondence with California
> > Software.
> >
> > Suddenly in September 2003, California Software sent me an "annual
> > maintenance" invoice for $5000 (yes, 5 times the original purchase
> > price) of the product I had uninstalled over 4 years prior.
> >
> > In the 17 months since then, I have emailed, faxed, phoned and written
> > to California Software, trying to explain to them there never was a
> > maintenance contract.  They have ignored all requests from myself, a
> > lawyer, and the Los Angeles Better Business Bureau, for copies of the
> > supposed contract.
> >
> > And with all of this, unbelievably, California Software continues to
> > bill me.  This year, they've apparently once again changed the terms
of
> > the contract that never existed, and are billing me on a monthly basis
> > to the tune of $417/month.
> >
> > The reasons for my posting this article are two-fold:
> >
> > (1) To warn small companies or individuals and consultants who do not
> > have lots of money to spend in court to seriously reconsider any
> > business with this company, and
> >
> > (2) To beg anyone with any helpful information or suggestions as to
how
> > to deal with this situation to please email me back at
> > tclukay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > I would prefer not to have to take money out of my IRA or my son's
> > college fund to fight these unethical preditors.
> >
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