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Well if you use the DLB (remember HAL?) selling process anyway - obfuscate,
beguile, and circumvent perhaps something like this isn't a stretch for
some companies.....
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I think you hit it Jim. Form an alliance with MS as an invitation to
purchase. Pad your financials with service contracts to up the price.
Upset some people? Who cares? You hope to be sold before it really hits
the fan.
Rob Berendt
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Group Dekko Services, LLC
Dept 01.073
PO Box 2000
Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com
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I would complain to your state's Attorney General office. Some states are
very agressive about anything that has the appearance of fraudulent
billing
practices. They are a public company on the OTC exchange. Is it possible
they are doing all this billing to make the financials look better?
See if the SEC covers them and has a place to complain.
But first you should have contact with them & see if they clear it up.
It was not hard to find contact info on their website...
http://www.calsw.com/calsw/company/worldwideoffices.asp
HEADQUARTERS
1241 Puerta Del Sol
San Clemente, California 92673
Telephone: (949) 498-9300
Fax: (949) 498-9201
jim
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> Invoice spam? Bill everyone and hope that x% just pay the bill without
> thinking. Having no phone or email contact reduces your expense enough
to
> make it profitable.
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> Rob Berendt
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> Group Dekko Services, LLC
> Dept 01.073
> PO Box 2000
> Dock 108
> 6928N 400E
> Kendallville, IN 46755
> http://www.dekko.com
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> We too are receiving monthly bills. We had just an evaluation system,
PC
> and all. Would not run what we needed so we returned it. Every so
often
> we
> get an invoice from them. Accounting now hand delivers to the corporate
> lawyer. Will never do business with them. Cannot call them, no
response
> to
> e-mails, They don't seem to exist except in invoice land...
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> Chris Bipes
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> Well...they *are* entering into that unholy 'Midrange Alliance' with
> Microsoft...maybe California Software is trying to impress Microsoft
> with their business practices.
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cluke" <>
> > Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc
> > Subject: Need Help Against Unethical California Software Business
> Practices
> >
> >
> > > Dear iSeries community:
> > >
> > > AVOID DOING BUSINESS WITH CALIFORNIA SOFTWARE.
> > >
> > > I purchased a personal copy of Baby/400 from California Software in
> > > 1998 for around $1K. I used the product for about three months,
didn't
> > > like it, and uninstalled it in the Spring of 1999, at which point I
> > > conducted no further business or correspondence with California
> > > Software.
> > >
> > > Suddenly in September 2003, California Software sent me an "annual
> > > maintenance" invoice for $5000 (yes, 5 times the original purchase
> > > price) of the product I had uninstalled over 4 years prior.
> > >
> > > In the 17 months since then, I have emailed, faxed, phoned and
written
> > > to California Software, trying to explain to them there never was a
> > > maintenance contract. They have ignored all requests from myself, a
> > > lawyer, and the Los Angeles Better Business Bureau, for copies of
the
> > > supposed contract.
> > >
> > > And with all of this, unbelievably, California Software continues to
> > > bill me. This year, they've apparently once again changed the terms
> of
> > > the contract that never existed, and are billing me on a monthly
basis
> > > to the tune of $417/month.
> > >
> > > The reasons for my posting this article are two-fold:
> > >
> > > (1) To warn small companies or individuals and consultants who do
not
> > > have lots of money to spend in court to seriously reconsider any
> > > business with this company, and
> > >
> > > (2) To beg anyone with any helpful information or suggestions as to
> how
> > > to deal with this situation to please email me back at
> > > tclukay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > I would prefer not to have to take money out of my IRA or my son's
> > > college fund to fight these unethical preditors.
> > >
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