RE: Why NOT the web? -- MIDRANGE-L

Well, Rob, I wouldn't know which would be the right answer. I've only been
developing Web sites for about 10 years and at least 6 of those ON AS/400's,
iSeries and i5's, so I think I can prove the concept. Yes, it works.

John Brandt 
iStudio400.com 
(903) 523-0708 
Home of iS/ODBC - MSSQL access from iSeries and RPG. 




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Is this the same as searching PTF's for "Integrity Problem"  because there 
are a load of them for each version of OS/400.

However if the issue is making it web accessible, It's PAST time to look 
at the tools on the i5.  Not that I follow what I am preaching, but doing 
some web programs, if only for proof-of-concept, in your past spare time 
might have been a good idea.

Rob Berendt
-- 
Group Dekko Services, LLC
Dept 01.073
PO Box 2000
Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





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I'll only be able to give you 732 of them.

This will search MS Security for a product that has only been out for a
while. (.net)
It will only search for security flaws in the .net product.
Results are below.
I'd do one on the iSeries (OS/400 and i5/OS), but I'm thinking that would 
be
pretty fruitless.


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/results.aspx?freetext=&productID=C9C8FCFB

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732 just for .net... It's safe, secure and probably works, although the 
last
time I searched for patches for .net there were over 2,000. I didn't wade
through them.


John Brandt 
iStudio400.com 
(903) 523-0708 
Home of iS/ODBC - MSSQL access from iSeries and RPG. 




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I don't have one good reason why not, but many. Just look at how stable 
and secure the Microsoft platform is (not).  (Take cover)

Sounds like somebody sold the emperor a new, invisible suit.

I've seen it before where a company will invest heavily into a technology 
before they really understand it's strengths AND weaknesses, only to find 
out much later that it has MANY weaknesses and doesn't really fit their 
needs. Unfortunately, much later comes after much money.

Thanks,

Ron Adams





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I have a customer that wants to re-develop their entire "ERP" solution
using .NET.  The  stuff they have rewritten already, for instance,
will replace my RPG Pick Ticket Entry.  Pick Ticket is really nothing
more than an order.  Header/detail transactional stuff.

Most of the pick tickets come in through EDI and other methods, but
nearly all of them are reviewed on screen and manifested for delivery.

There are other procedures, like manual carton reallocation, Wave
picks, etc, that are all in RPG SFL's, and some C/S using windows
Visual screens, which they like very much.  My RPG stuff prints
100,000+ labels a day.  IT's lots of records, lots of database
searches, lots of EDI's, etc.

Actually, when I say web, I mean browser based.  They will use IE.

I've told them that the web is not for this kind of stuff, it's for
customer service, inquiries, simple ordering, etc.

They've asked me to tell them why.

So, even though I KNOW it's wrong to go that way, I can't think of how
to make my point.  How would YOU tell them?

I'm hoping Joe Pluta is listening.  This one is right up his alley.

The customer in question used to be a big one for me, but lately, not.
 I guess it's because they are moving to .NET, but that's no skin off
my nose.  I'll stay busier for the long run because the .NET thing
will never work.

This to me is a classic example of, let's get off the 400 and go to
.NET because it's on TV.  It's got to be good.

BTW, the examples I've seen have no capabilty for search screens, like
customer name,  terms codes, etc.  The Indian Liason says that's not
possible on the web.  My reply to my customer was, isn't that enough
proof that the web isn't good for this stuff, but apparently it isn't.

I've written some very nice inquiry stuff using Lansa for the Web, and
I have nice search screens :-)

Something strange is going on at this company, because everyone they
show the project to says it's awful and not close to completion,
except for the main guy who green lighted it in the first place.

The execs think that people like me will just tell them it's awful
because I will lose my job, but that's not how I work.  They think the
employees in IT that are going to be outsourced are trying to save
their jobs.  They've just given the Indian another payment so he can
continue.  I think someone is on the take, but that's another story.

I guess really I'm asking for my own knowledge, since I don't hope to
convince anyone at this future out of business company (FOOBCO).

Thanks.

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Art Tostaine (GMAIL)
CCA, Inc.
Jackson, NJ 08527
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