RE: Microsoft thwarted again

Walden,

> Reliability should be measured in terms of the
> availability of my
> application to my users. They don't care if a given piece
> of hardware is
> down, as long as their application is available. Likewise,
> they don't
> care if a piece of hardware up if they can't get to their
> application,
> so those DNS servers better be considered "real."

Well said.   Though I'd like to (slightly) modify the equation so that
the comparison of different operating environments is measured as:

Reliability = ApplicationAvailability / Cost

jte

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Walden H. Leverich
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:48 PM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Subject: RE: Microsoft thwarted again
> 
> At the risk of again "avoid[ing] the meat of a statement":
> 
> >Does that mean they compare?  Of course not, and you know
> it.
> 
> Never said it did. You said that there are AS/400's that
> haven't been
> rebooted, I said that there are other machines too.
> Neither means a hill
> of beans.
> 
> >There might be one doing some sort of file serving or
> maybe
> >acting as a DNS server or mail router, but not running
> >a real application.
> 
> You don't consider DNS a "real application?" Hard for
> Amazon to make all
> that money if no one can find their site. I'd also bet
> that most of our
> users would be upset if they didn't have e-mail.
> 
> >...but the truth is THERE IS NO COMPARISON
> 
> Ah, but there is a comparison, and that's the problem. A
> majority of the
> iSeries community loves to simply bash MS and say there's
> no comparison,
> but in the mean time, how many enterprises have abandoned
> the iSeries
> and gone to windows. How many have abandoned windows and
> gone to an
> iSeries? Windows is real, viable, and stable. Continuing
> to ignore it
> won't make it go away. The same, BTW, can be said for
> Linux.
> 
> >...if you find me a machine that hasn't been rebooted
> since 2001...
> 
> Looking for a single machine (and I'm sure there is one)
> is silly.
> Again, you miss the idea behind clustering. I'm sure I can
> find many
> clusters that haven't stopped serving their customers
> since 2001. The
> single machine argument is like spending all your time
> increasing the
> MTBF of a disk drive to make it more reliable. In the mean
> time, just
> install a RAID array and move onto another problem.
> 
> Reliability should be measured in terms of the
> availability of my
> application to my users. They don't care if a given piece
> of hardware is
> down, as long as their application is available. Likewise,
> they don't
> care if a piece of hardware up if they can't get to their
> application,
> so those DNS servers better be considered "real."
> 
> -Walden
> 
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> Tech Software
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