I appreciate the effort.  I really APPRECIATE you're looking to broker
something FOR the 400 folks.

I suppose I should re-visit EDTF/DSPF before commenting.  Because my
recollection is that it seemed more like a souped-up version of EDLIN from
old DOS days, rather than being even as useful as Notepad, which Tom

But I think your missing the point that Don has BEEN MAKING for years now,
and the point of what I said below about the 80/20 rule being mis-applied...
We're getting to the point where the tool choices are basically gonna
revolve around Eclipse, EDTF and vi.

Do you understand why I'm not particularly happy??  Eclipse, from what I've
seen, is worse than Code/400 rather than better.  EDTF--I'll look into
again.  Then if we don't like those, we'll be given the option of vi, which
I've looked at enough and won't comment on because I don't use that language
in public.

But, personally, I'm not sure we're gonna agree on a lotta of this and I
think it's time some-a you folks understood that this is NOT the direction
to be moving towards:

edtf STMF('/qsys.lib/qgpl.lib/strcode.usrspc')
dspf STMF('/qsys.lib/qgpl.lib/strcode.usrspc')

look at DBU yet, but supposedly they were able to do this easy enough.

We've disagreed on this, in the past Rob if you recall.  You and some others
seem to think there's basically no difference in command syntax, and the
former is actually better, when it isn't.

| -----Original Message-----
| [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx
| Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 2:00 PM

| I see your point.
| However, what would you expect a 'iseries' based command to give you, to
| work with a user space, that EDTF/DSPF doesn't?  If it isn't that much
| more capable, or easier to use, then I just as soon they put the money
| into something else.
| If IBM created a command, DSPUSRSPC, and it looked pretty much like DSPF,
| would you be happy?
| Rob Berendt

| "jt" <jt@xxxxxx>
| Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
| 03/22/2004 10:37 AM

| And it's also because there are, according to Mr. Zollar, there are
| 3,000,000 Java programmers and 300,000 RPG programmers.  So, over-applying
| the 80/20 rule, the 300,000 RPGers get essentially zero development
| dollars,
| and they're just expected to eat dung like they have been for the past
| decade or two.
| Is there something here you don't comprehend, Rob?

| | -----Original Message-----
| | [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx
| | Earlier on in the thread it was stated that there was no utility to
| | display the contents of a user space.  For example, if you wanted to see
| | if your program was updating it properly.  Thus, in that case, DSPF is a
| | valid utility.  I suppose you could do a DMPOBJ, but I think that is
| even
| | more 'dweeby'.
| |
| | Rob Berendt
| | "jt" <jt@xxxxxx>
| | Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
| | 03/21/2004 12:53 PM
| | Didn't know that, Colin.
| |
| | But WHY would anybody WANT to do this??  (I used EDTF.. like once or
| twice
| | was enuf, iirc.)  I mean, as opposed to STRSEU QGPL/STRCODE...
| |
| | *Nix-like attitude won out again, apparently.  Never surprises me, but
| | then,
| | never ceases to amaze me either.

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