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Yep, I am, unfortunately learning this the hard way, and not looking to good right now. Would probably have gone with someone else (actually guarantee you that) but their "discount" on our production software package gets a "really good" discount if we go with them and I was unsuccessful in convincing the powers that be to seriously entertain others... In a way I guess I had a feeling something like this would happen and I'm not a cynic ! By the way Al, how did you do out there in "no power land" ? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Al Barsa Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 7:36 PM To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: RE: LPARS - What is there to know about them That's why you do business with a BP that totally understands LPAR, and is prepared to bundle in with the purchase price the services necessary to make it work. LPARs are so complicated, that we charge for LPAR configs! Unfortunately IBM has no LPAR Value Add, as they should. Al Al Barsa, Jr. Barsa Consulting Group, LLC 400>390 914-251-1234 914-251-9406 fax http://www.barsaconsulting.com http://www.taatool.com "Chuck Lewis" <clewis@xxxxxxxxx t> To Sent by: "'Midrange Systems Technical midrange-l-bounce Discussion'" s@xxxxxxxxxxxx <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc 08/15/2003 08:08 Subject PM RE: LPARS - What is there to know about them Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxx nge.com> NO lie Al... I can't IMAGINE what it would be like for an upgrade... We are TOTALLY swapping out a 620 with an 810 LPAR'd. Our BP filled out the "what ever it is called" work sheet or what ever that IBM wants them to do and it gets OK'd I guess. Then the system comes in (it did this week) and there is NOTHING but LIC on it. And as you note Al, the cards weren't in the correct slots, etc. You would THINK that there would be some correlation between the config sheet and what you get in... Nope. This all was news to me. I understood there would be some work to do with LPAR but had no idea drives had to be added, RAID'd, etc. Had am individual I know that had been to LPAR school tell me that when this was brought up in class (watch the card placement mess) the instructor noted "these things are designed by PHD's and assembled by folks with high school diplomas... Of course this is good for IGS... Chuck -----Original Message----- From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Al Barsa Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 6:29 PM To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: Re: LPARS - What is there to know about them In an LPAR environment, you take one physical system and partition it into multiple logical systems. This has very specific hardware requirements, and is generally more difficult to configure and install. IBM does not build the system properly, you need to swap around parts. This is particularly true if you are going to upgrade an existing system. Al Al Barsa, Jr. Barsa Consulting Group, LLC 400>390 914-251-1234 914-251-9406 fax http://www.barsaconsulting.com http://www.taatool.com Rob Phillips <niceguy420l@xxxx o.com> To Sent by: Midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx midrange-l-bounce cc s@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject LPARS - What is there to know about 08/15/2003 06:49 them PM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxx nge.com> HI I am trying to see if I understand about LPARS. I understand the high level. That you can use resources of other machines, that you can create a very controlled environment. Is there more - Is there alot of detail work for an admin in a shop that uses LPARS extensively. Thanks, Rob --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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