Re: LINUX is the "one" ? .... Comments??? -- MIDRANGE-L

My heavens, let's end this thread! 

>>> steelville@xxxxxxxxx 04/03/03 08:02PM >>>
Microsoft is the ultimate successful model of
pay-for-software. Innovation is anathema to them. GPL is the
opposite of "monopoly" because it "monopoly" means control
of a market. M$ wants to control the market.

This is why I think the GPL is more of a "Christian" concept
than a "Communist" concept. The Christian says hey, you need
a jacket, take mine. The Communist says hey, you've got a
jacket, give it up!

Some software makers do not. But look at the code for the
operating system GNU-Linux, it's free, see how to improve on
it. I remember when copier makers offered free copiers just
for signing up for two years' maintenance. Nothing to sneeze
at.

You got dead projects on SourceForge, how many commercial
projects have disappeared completely?





----- Original Message -----
From: "jt" <jt@xxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:52 PM
Subject: RE: LINUX is the "one" ? .... Comments???


| I guess it takes a *nix-gearbrain-genius-type, like
Yourself James, to
| explain whether MySQL is fully-compliant or not with the
GPL.  No big deal
| to me, just corn-fusing.
|
| I mean, if the CUSTOMER gets to decide that the code is
non-GPL'd, then is
| the code GPL-compliant or not...???
|
| I, just so happens, AM familiar with different licence
terms, like the
| Software Subscription and licensing same product under
different terms.
| (That's a poor analogy, btw, and perhaps a better one
would be the
| interactive tax paid for same hardware.)  The question was
whether this
| MySQL actually IS GPL-compliant, or not, which interested
me...  And I'm not
| the only one who's noticed You practically need to be a
lawyer to try to
| imagine there's any sense a-tall amongst ALL the
HODGEPODGE of "Open" Source
| licenses.  http://www.stromian.com/Public_Licenses.html 
(Dated, as there are
| probably dozens of new variants since '98.)
|
| Btw, James, I was glad to see You add the wink after this
statement: "Which
| clearly ties directly into innovation for some reason...
;)"  It CLEARLY
| ties directly into innovation INVERSELY, although I don't
think that was the
| point You were intending to make...;-)  And because "the
licensing entity
| can do it however they want" including, as a fundamental
"right", take any
| software (and ANYTHING that can be stored on a hard drive,
if RMS had His
| way about it) and give it away for free and the original
owner/producer of
| the software/article/music/whatever has NO economic
rights...  Well that
| disregards the reality that GOOD, USABLE, DOCUMENTED
software projects,
| (especially those that take more'n a weekend to complete),
cost a LOTTA time
| and money to develop..
|
| ..'Course, that doesn't ENTIRELY explain the preponderance
of lame software
| that comes outta MOST (not all) "Open" Source projects:
|
| "I know I'm not alone on this (I just may be the first one
saying it out
| loud). There are literally tens of thousands of dead
projects out there on
| Sourceforge. Made by geeks like me who had an itch to
scratch and cranked
| away for a weekend getting something cool working."
|
http://www.russellbeattie.com/notebook/20030210.html#005532 
|
| Btw, James, does coding "Open" Source put food on Your
table, and/or do You
| have a real job...???
|
|
|
| | -----Original Message-----
| | From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
| | [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
James Rich
| | Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:18 PM
| | To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
| | Subject: RE: LINUX is the "one" ? .... Comments???
| |
| |
| | On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, jt wrote:
| |
| | > Is the same identical code for MySQL being distributed
as BOTH
| | non-GPL and
| | > GPL...??  How does THAT work???  Or what?
| |
| | Yes, the same identical code is licensed under different
licenses to
| | different users.  And honestly, this isn't so hard to
understand.  Almost
| | every software company, copyright holder, and patent
holder does this all
| | the time.  Ever heard of Software Subscription for the
iSeries?  If you
| | purchase it, you have one license.  If you don't, you
get another.  Or how
| | about Software Assurance?  Or how about licensing an
invention to one
| | company differently than to another?
| |
| | Mysql is no different.  They choose to license mysql to
most people under
| | the GPL.  If you so desire, you can get a different
license by purchasing
| | one.  IOW, they may choose to license the code however
they want to
| | whomever they want.  If the GPL doesn't work for your
product Mysql will
| | work with to use a license that does.
| |
| | This works because the GPL follows the same laws that
govern all software
| | licensing.  The licensing entity (whether an individual
or group or
| | company) can decide how to license their work and who to
license to.  If
| | you are not the licensing entity (which you aren't
unless you actually
| | authored the code) you cannot arbitrarily decide to
license the code
| | however you want.  This is true of all software.  Thus
if you receive
| | GPL'ed code you cannot violate it's terms and distribute
it under a
| | different license.  Likewise if you receive proprietary
code.  But the
| | licensing entity can do it however they want.
| |
| | Which clearly ties directly into innovation for some
reason...   ;)
| |
| | James Rich
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