RE: LPAR pricing gouge -- MIDRANGE-L

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Hey!  Christmas is coming up.  Don't mention that capability where Al
Barsa can see it.  You want to stress him out?

Rob Berendt
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin




Jim Damato <jdamato@dollargeneral.com>
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It's as bad as Interactive Feature was when it first came out.  We had a
EDI
software vendor that was tier pricing by Interactive Feature code.  My
argument that EDI processing and functionality has very little to do with
the number of interactive processes went nowhere.

Anyone being charged extra for using the 250 library feature in the user
library list?

-Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Birnbaum [mailto:gbirnba@rei.com]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:33 PM
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I had a case with a Utilities vendor where they wanted to charge one
price for a 'Non-LPAR' version and another 50% greater price for a LPAR
version with no limits as to how many partitions it would run in.  My
problem with this was that we had already paid for multiple licenses and
I was consolidating a P30 into an existing P20.  I had a license for the
old P30 (a 510) as well as a license for the existing P20 (an 820).  Yet
somehow they expected us to fork over another 50% of the price of the
P20 'Non-LPAR' license to convert to the P20 LPAR license.

We got totally pissed, pointed out we had a lot of long term licenses
including several bigger systems, and that common sense says that we
weren't creating a new system, we already had paid more in the original
two licenses than the cost of an LPAR license.  Then we threatened to
replace the product if they expected us to pay a license increase.  They
backed down, but our annual maintenance went up by approx. 50% for the
LPAR version (still cheaper than two separate Maint. charges).

The moral of the story is.... don't assume anything about license costs
if you're thinking about LPAR. IBM's policy for most products is still
simple, just price by tier, no extra LPAR costs.  But other vendor's
have about as many different pricing policies as there are vendors and
they're probably changing them as we speak.

Happy Holidays everyone,
Glenn Birnbaum

-----Original Message-----
From: rob@dekko.com [mailto:rob@dekko.com]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:33 AM
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I would think that you would get one LPAR free, since you've already
paid
for that tier.  However TL Ashford didn't see it that way.  And, (like a
lot of software), if you don't whine right, Trusted Link will try the
same.

Rob Berendt
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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Mike.Crump@saint-gobain.com
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Oh yes.  My favorite is the vendor that wanted to charge us a fee for
LPAR
as well as the tier group change.  I'm consolidating servers and using
LPAR
and my new server will be in the P40 tier.  In this case the LPAR fee
was
minimal and we were only getting charged for the products and for the
LPAR's that we were using - so in defense of that vendor it's LPAR fee
is
pretty rational.  But having both charges just infuriated me.
Thankfully,
the vendor elected to eliminate one of my charges (albeit the smaller
one).

Most of my other vendors are really not bad on the LPAR
thing.....yet...........

And in my case with 20+ vendors I only had two that had what I would
consider to be rather nasty tier pricing surprises for me........

Michael Crump
Saint-Gobain Containers
1509 S. Macedonia Ave.
Muncie, IN  47302
(765)741-7696
(765)741-7012 f
(800)428-8642

mailto:mike.crump@saint-gobain.com





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We are checking with our vendor software to see what, if any, action
needs
to be taken if we LPAR.

None of the vendor software will be run on more than one LPAR.

I ASSUMED that since most vendors (websphere excluded) don't charge by
number of processors, etc that it would be simple and no change would be
required.  Hey, S/N, model, etc all stay the same, right?

Now I found out that the barcode software TL Ashford will charge us an
additional $1,400 just to LPAR our machine.  Even though we will only be
running it on one partition.  And this partition is what currently runs
on
the entire machine.  The boss evidently is going to fork over the bucks
and eat it.

Any other LPAR pricing horror stories?

Rob Berendt

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