Re: Thats all folks! -- MIDRANGE-L

Scott,

What you ask "but couldn't someone besides IBM do this.." has already
happened. I work with a refacing tool and we do it. So do most of the
available tools in this market.

Joe,

I think what you are asking for is basically how webfacing works.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Lee" <LeeJD@ah.org>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:02 PM
Subject: RE: Thats all folks!


> I have often thought that what IBM needs to do is to modify the compiler
> for DDS so that when display files are compiled in addition to the 5250
> stuff that is created, an x-client is also created. This would allow any
> platform that has an x-server to run AS400 applications with no more
> effort than recompiling the display files. Now it would be nice if IBM
> also made additions to DDS so that fancier x-clients could be created,
> or even better IBM could create a GUI version of SDA.
>
> Joe Lee
>
> >>> jross-ml@netshare400.com 12/18/2002 10:51:38 >>>
> Scott,
>
> You know the 5250 data stream better then I do, but couldn't someone
> besides IBM do this by using hidden fields? Like putting button Exit
> as
> hidden and then text like F3=Exit as normal text. So for a normal data
> stream it shows F3=Exit, but on your graphical data stream it makes a
> button that has Exit. But it always takes extra work to code for more
> then
> one platform, green screen and graphical. And going through this with
> Java,
> all for graphical interfaces just different OSes, it sure makes me
> wonder
> if it is all worth it.  And IBM might of tired this if more users would
> of
> tried the scroll bars (that no one I talked with liked on 5250).
>
> And if you want all graphical interface seams like you could come up
> with
> something if you really needed it, that included how to draw the
> screen,
> something like the x server on Linux (I have not seen anything on the
> X
> server so not sure how it works).
>
> The Linux user group I go to is big into the Linux Terminal Server
> Project  http://www.ltsp.org  Which is sort of like what you are
> talking
> about, the Linux server runs the X server and the clients just displays
> the
> window. The kernel is loaded off of the server. This project used
> TN5250
> because they had to also work with an AS/400 (green screen).
> http://www.ltsp.org/longstory.php
>
> And it is not all IBM's fault, sometimes it could because the AS400
> community it so slow to adopt new technology or learn anything on their
>  own.
>
> John Ross
>
>
> At 03:16 PM 12/17/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >  [snip]
> >What would I do, if I could make the decisions for the iSeries
> division?
> >
> >(1) Create a new way of communicating with terminals, instead of the
> >      5250 data stream, that allows for graphical terminals.
> >
> >(2) Make it just as easy to develop graphical applications on the
> >      iSeries as it is to develop green-screen.    Incorporate
> graphical
> >      controls into DDS, so existing software can immediately look
> >      graphical without changing the RPG/COBOL code.
> >
> >(3) Lose the reliance of Windows for Ops Nav, etc.   Instead, use the
> >      graphical data stream.   Make a terminal emulator for Windows,
> >      of course, but also make it availble for Linux/BSD/MacOS, etc.
> >      Keep the PC side as simple as possible, so that a terminal can
> >      be used as a complete replacement.
> >
> >The idea is, you write the software for the iSeries.  You deploy it
> >to the iSeries.  The only platform required to use it is the iSeries.
> >
> >Software is very simple to write, because that's what business people
> >want when they're developing software.  They're not computer geeks
> like
> >Unix people, they're businessmen.  They want something easy that will
> >be modern and stable.
> >
> >Don't use a web browser as a terminal.  They're unstable.  Every
> browser
> >displays things differently.  They are much more complicated to
> develop
> >software for than a green-screen.  They're designed for reading hyper
> text
> >documentation, not running an application in.   It has been proven
> time
> >and time again that client/server is expensive to maintain... this is
> the
> >main reason why the TCO of the iSeries is lower.   Web is a
> client/server
> >software!
> >
> >Get the idea?  Keep the paradigms that have always made the iSeries
> >strong, but UPDATE THEM TO MODERN TIMES.
>
>
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