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<snip> As far as I know, ODBC and OLE DB require the router. Is this no longer true? </snip> If you are referring to the Netsoft Router, no it is not true. At least at V4R5. Actually the express client doesn't even have the Netsoft router. You can use the OLEDB driver that comes with client access without actually even loading the entire client. I believe it can be distributed with your app. Thanks, Mark Mark Walter Sr. Programmer/Analyst Hanover Wire Cloth a div of CCX, Inc. mwalter@hanoverwire.com http://www.hanoverwire.com 717.637.3795 Ext.3040 /"\ \ / X / \
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