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Al, Pat....

Actually, I've heard this from several folks....Pat's NOT the first person
to suggest using Google...nor will he be the last...:)

Don in DC

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On Mon, 6 May 2002, Al Barsa/Barsa Consulting wrote:

>
> You might mention this to the Information Center folks.
>
> Al
>
> Al Barsa, Jr.
> Barsa Consulting Group, LLC
>
> 400>390
>
> 914-251-1234
> 914-251-9406 fax
>
> http://www.barsaconsulting.com
> http://www.taatool.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                     "Patrick Botz"
>                     <botz@us.ibm.com>         To:     midrange-l@midrange.com
>                     Sent by:                  cc:
>                     midrange-l-admin@mi       Subject:     Re: Info Center
>                     drange.com
>
>
>                     05/06/02 05:12 PM
>                     Please respond to
>                     midrange-l
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually find "google" to be the best for searching the info
> center...really. Try it. It works well for me.
>
> Patrick Botz
> Senior Software Engineer
> eServer Security Architect
> (507) 253-0917, T/L 553-0917
> email: botz@us.ibm.com
>
>
>
>
>                       "Al Barsa/Barsa
>                       Consulting"               To:
> midrange-l@midrange.com
>                       <barsa@barsaconsul        cc:
>                       ting.com>                 Subject:  Re: Info Center
>                       Sent by:
>                       midrange-l-admin@m
>                       idrange.com
>
>
>                       05/06/2002 03:50
>                       PM
>                       Please respond to
>                       midrange-l
>
>
>
>
>
>
> For example:
>
> I recently had an occasion to use a prompt override program for a command.
> I searched for over a half hour in the information center, got hundreds of
> irrelevant hits, and never found the data that I was looking for,
>
> I walked down the hall, and got my V2R3 CL book (that was the last real
> release where we published manuals), and found the prompt override program
> section in 30 seconds.
>
> Al
>
> Al Barsa, Jr.
> Barsa Consulting Group, LLC
>
> 400>390
>
> 914-251-1234
> 914-251-9406 fax
>
> http://www.barsaconsulting.com
> http://www.taatool.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                     Jeff Crosby
>                     <jlcrosby@dilgardfo       To:
> midrange-l@midrange.com
>                     ods.com>                  cc:
>                     Sent by:                  Subject:     Re: Info Center
>                     midrange-l-admin@mi
>                     drange.com
>
>
>                     05/06/02 03:35 PM
>                     Please respond to
>                     midrange-l
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Anne Lucas wrote:
>
> > Please provide me, in separate email to alucas@us.ibm.com, specific
> > problems on Info Center.  I have a list, but would like to get the
> details,
> > please.... have already forwarded your comments to date to the owner of
> the
> > program....   Thanks!
>
> With all due respect, I think that's impossible.  To me, the problem is
> systemic.
>
> Ever compile an RPG program and misspell a file name?  This causes a
> level "40" error and causes umpteen field names to be undefined and so
> many other errors via the domino effect that it's scary.  To try to find
> any other typos or errors at that point is a complete waste of time.
> Your only productive recourse is to correct the file name misspelling
> and compile again.
>
> That's where I believe the Info Center is.  It is so disorganized,
> unintuitive, and convoluted that it's useless in it's present form.  I
> have to spend all my time and brainpower trying to figure out how the
> %@*# I'm going to find what I need instead of being able to focus on my
> problem.  If and when I ever find _anything_ that applies from the Info
> Center, I have lost all train of thought on what I was originally trying
> to do.
>
> It's scary to me to believe the infocenter people don't already know the
> problems after all these years of us complaining.  I am really tired of
> being repeatedly asked to document the problems to no avail.
>
> Until recently I thought I was the only one who was still using the V3R2
> Library Reader for reference.
>
> I know you asked for the email to be to you, but I want to know whether
> others on the list think my response is out of line.
>
> --
> Jeff Crosby
> Dilgard Frozen Foods, Inc.
> P.O. Box 13369
> Ft. Wayne, IN 46868-3369
> 260-422-7531
>
> The opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily
> the opinion of my company.  Unless I say so.
>
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