Re: Cheaper Servers? - Been there - done that -- MIDRANGE-L

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I didn't say telnet. I said green screen. Could be Twin-ax. The point is
OS/400 has no native GUI and cannot talk direct to a keyboard, mouse,
and video display. A PC or 'dumb' terminal are always required.

With this situation, a lap top type iSeries could never be successful. A
native GUI of some form, and appropriate hardware support are essential.

Syd Nicholson


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>1)  Why do people feel that telnet is the only 'native' access to the
>iSeries?
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>Dr Syd Nicholson <sydnic@ccs400.com>
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>To create a real portable iSeries IBM need to create a GUI AS/400.
>Unless that happens we will always need another PC system to connect to
>it.
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>A native OS/400 GUI and native iSeries display, keyboard and mouse. A
>prime requirement for a laptop iSeries.
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>The only 'native' display access an iSeries has is green screen text
>based. This must seriously hinder sales in an all GUI world.
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>Perhaps an X-Server type approach and a third party product such as KDE
>or Gnome would be the way forward.
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>Politically I don't think IBM have any interest in this. They work on
>the basis that everyone uses Windoze so they only provide GUI software
>(eg. CA/400, Ops Nav, Code/400) to run under Windoze. In so doing they
>FORCE all their customers to use Windoze. Please correct me if I am
>wrong, but I am not aware of any IBM created CA/400 software for other
>operating systems (eg. Linux). They insist we use Ops Nav, and Ops Nav
>only runs under Windoze.
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>Personally I concluded that even maintaining a small Windoze network was
>too expensive on my time. I now use Linux (much better, and more stable)
>and question IBM's commitment to Linux. They seem to want it on their
>servers (the words bandwagon and jump spring to mind) but I don't know
>of any serious client side Linux developments. I would love to see a
>CA/400 for Linux.
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>Syd Nicholson
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>Shields, Ken wrote:
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>>I guess this explains why the Portable /400 box flopped.
>>The technology has changed considerably, hell, they could probably get
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>Dell to build it for them...shut my mouth!
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>>LOL
>>Ken
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dr Syd Nicholson [mailto:sydnic@ccs400.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:04 AM
>>To: midrange-l@midrange.com
>>Subject: Re: Cheaper Servers? - Been there - done that
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>>I got one of these. Great wee box.
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>>Biggest drawbacks.
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>> - Too much heavy cabling to attache console, tape drive, etc.  Almost
>>makes it non-portable. If the console is not there it still works but
>>the yellow light is on and it displays an SRC code. If I go anywhere
>>with it I take a MAU, token ring cable, and a lap top as well. A lot of
>>stuff to lug about. Not taking the tape drive (which is a another
>>significabtly sized box) means I cannot do any back up, saves or
>>restores whilst away. The absence of the console cable when away from
>>office limits functions that may be required if something goes wrong. If
>>I don't leave all these things behind the machine is certainly not
>>portable.
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>>- Insufficient disk capacity - only 2 GB. Can't load this with much in
>>the way of applications/data. IBM always under sizes disks and charges a
>>small fortune for them.
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>>- Insufficent memory - its very slow - 24MB
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>>It is still a useful machine still, even thought it is stuck on V3R2.
>>IBM only went part way with this one. I think it must have been an
>>experiment to see what kind of response they would get. Unfortnately,
>>they didn't make it portable enough, or give it sufficient capacity to
>>be realistic and this restricted sales. Perhaps another example of IBM
>>not quite understanding their customer requirements.
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>>Syd Nicholson
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>>Vernon Hamberg wrote:
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>>>FYI - From v3r2 Handbook
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>>>>AS/400 Advanced Portable is a full-function, multi-user AS/400 that is
>>>>easily transportable and capable of running all AS/400 applications. It
>>>>can be used for development and testing of new applications, as well as
>>>>training and customer support activities consistent with supporting
>>>>multiple, remote, or distributed systems.
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>>>>AS/400 Advanced Portable is offered in predefined packages, five
>>>>twinaxial-based systems (9401-P03, T01, T02, T03, T11, and T12),
>>>>three LAN
>>>>based systems (9401-P03, L01, L02, and L03), and a server (9401-10S,
>>>>S01).
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>>>Now, y'all can tell me why this did not fly the last time IBM tried
>>>this. I
>>>don't know, personally.
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