RE: 111 cpw on ebay for $2000

Hi Neil,

When software is ordered from IBM is the AS400 system serial number required
?  ( how else would the processor group be determined to know what the price
is )

Is the system serial number enough PoE, esp if IBM has records of the
software paid for on the system ( at least the initial order )


Thanks,

Steve Richter

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[mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Neil Palmer
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 4:45 PM
To: midrange-l@midrange.com
Subject: RE: 111 cpw on ebay for $2000


As long as you kept the PoE (Proof Of Entitlement) forms that IBM shipped
with the software.  Those are like the ownership for your car.  If you
don't have  them you can't sell the software licenses, and if you "buy"
software by itself, or with a system, make sure you see those PoE forms
before you pay up.

...Neil




Thanks Andy and Pat.

Sounds like an old V4 P20 or P30 has a lot more value in its transferable
software licenses than in the hardware.

-Steve


-----Original Message-----

Subject: RE: 111 cpw on ebay for $2000


Reply inline:

> Is the buyer of the used system allowed to use the LPPs and OS that
are on
> it ?

Yes, recent licenses for most standard program products are transferable
separately.  This is a fairly recent development in IBM licensing in the
midrange.  They would not automatically follow the box.  With V4Rx the
OS is considered part of the hardware and would follow it regardless.

> If the buyer is allowed to do this, can they also remove the IBM
licensed
> code from one of their systems and install it on another system they
own ?

Yes, IBM will transfer licenses from one machine to another.  Upgrade
fees would apply if moving up a processor tier.

> Monthly maintenance is zero if you decide to go back to ebay whenever
a
> part
> fails.

Then you're not really talking about a production system.  Your original
statement was "I think a business user gets a better deal from the 510."
I don't know many business users who would be happy heading to eBay when
their server died.  Perhaps a cache of stockpiled used parts would be
better.  If you wanted a basement system to tinker with and were okay
with the OS upgrade limitations and power consumption, this could be a
good way to go.  It would cut down on your heating bills in winter too.

Regards,
Andy




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