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<snip> It's not unusual for us to propose an upgrade more than once (i.e. this year and next year)before it is approved. I hate to waste the business partner's time when most likely it will be cut the first year it is proposed. <endsnip> My last word on this subject, because I think the thread has lost its value, however, do not feel you are wasting a business partners time when you engage them for assistance in budgeting, long term planning, and general technology assistance or advise. The word "Partner" involves a two way communications and relationship. Many of my clients will not buy any hardware or significant services this year, but that does not stop me from providing planning assistance and advise. Good partners never consider your request for budget numbers a waste. If you ever need budget numbers call your business partner and tell them. Not only can they provide the budget numbers, but help you to justify the requests. There are poor partners out there who are only interested in taking hardware orders, discounting the price and shipping, but they don't usually last long nor really make any money, nor is IBM interested in helping them. Find a Premier partner in your area to work with. They have demonstrated the traits needed to be a real partner for the long run. If you are having a hard time finding a partner to work with, call IBM and ask for your local rep. They have the responsibility to make sure the partners do react to customer needs. Jim Oberholtzer Senior Technical Architect Computech Resources, Inc.
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