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need to be in the WSJ. ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Ericson <Glenn-Ericson@att.net> To: <interlug@midrange.com>; <interlug@midrange.com>; <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: RE: [Interlug] Re: iSeries marketing request at Common Lug Luncheon (fwd) > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Will this one from Information Week dated to day Help? > ******************************************** > Save up to 38%. > Consolidate multiple Microsoft(R) Exchange servers into a smarter, > less expensive alternative: The reliable, scalable IBM iSeries(TM) > server running Lotus(R) Domino(TM) can support thousands of Outlook > users. Learn more at a free e-briefing with an iSeries for Outlook > expert: to register call 800-426-7777, priority code 6N1DS050; or visit > http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eE2q0BceyY04e0Zue0Au > ******************************************** > > > Gerald Kern wrote: > >Yeah - what he (EMG) said... > > > >Once again IBM'rs, I repeat, unless the marketing is visible, nothing will > >change. We need to see iSeries ads every Monday morning in the WSJ, and > >every week in Computerworld. It's that simple. We don't need to follow the > >iSeries Nation website - we're already believers, and the public doesn't > >even know that website exists so unless you lead them to become inquisitive > >you are again, as stated, preaching to the choir and ignoring your target > >audience. > > > >Regards, Jerry Kern > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: interlug-admin@midrange.com [mailto:interlug-admin@midrange.com]On > >Behalf Of EMG Associates > >Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:17 PM > >To: interlug@midrange.com > >Subject: Re: [Interlug] Re: iSeries marketing request at Common Lug > >Luncheon (fwd) > > > > > > For some time, I have been following the discussion thread regarding > >LUG's, Common, the iSeries and the iSeries Nation. I feel the need to jump > >in from the sidelines. > > > > I have been involved with IBM computers for more years than I can count. > >I used S/32, S/34, S/38 and AS/400's for years. The product line changed, > >my skill set changed along with the entire computer industry. However, in > >all that time I never doubted my ability to earn a living in the IBM > >midrange arena. > > > > That is not the current case. > > > > At the present time, I help clients identify software solutions that > >usually are replacing existing legacy systems. Clients are migrating from > >their AS/400s. Clients and potential clients won't even discuss the > >iSeries. We have all heard the stories about the perception that the > >iSeries has. Let me tell you, It's true. I can present 3 - 4 potential > >application software solutions to a client. In the last two years, I have > >been able to get only 1client to consider the AS/400 platform. In that case > >it was an upgrade from JDE World to One World. The preferred option has > >generally been to identify an application that runs on Oracle, in either an > >NT or Sun environment. > > > > The people I deal with are not the cutting edge, hot-shot programmers. > >I deal with non technical corporate management and business line management. > >These non-technical executives read the Wall Street Journal ads. They read > >about scalability from the PC level to the large server. It is Sun that > >they are reading about, not IBM. > > > > Is there anything out there that is going for us, that gives me hope? > >NO > > > > It surely is not the iSeries Nation. In polite terms, it is preaching > >to the choir. > > > > Do we have aggressive hard hitting IBM marketing of the operating system > >we all know and love? > > Do we have case studies, in major non-technical advertisements that show > >the iSeries strengths in comparison to other product lines? > > The answers are NO. Not now and probably never in the future. > > > > I always fall back to a simple question. Why? If I saw a bureaucrat > >marketing like IBM, I would ask if it was incompetence or stupidity that was > >being displayed. I then would ponder which would be worse. > > > > I have too much respect for IBM to think that either of these answers > >fit. Maybe the answer is that IBM is achieving the results it desires and > >anticipates. This conclusion may be hard for some of us to accept. > >However, if you start from the premise that IBM is first and foremost a > >profit making business this premise is easily accepted. In the last decade, > >even with its ups and downs, IBM has survived and grown. > > > > Need more be said. > > > > > >Mark Grimley > >Board Member WAM > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:03:18 -0600 > > > From: Anne Lucas <alucas@us.ibm.com> > > > Reply-To: interlug@midrange.com > > > To: Gerald Kern <gkern@buckeye-express.com>, interlug@midrange.com > > > Subject: [Interlug] Re: iSeries marketing request at Common Lug Luncheon > > > > > > Jerry, thanks for your note..... the one thing I really love about this > > > community is this great passion for the AS/400 and iSeries! I understand > > > we're the only product line in the industry with this type of customer > > > passion..... hmmmmm. Keep an eye on our iSeries Nation site .. .it's > > > changing daily! > > > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries > > > > > > Here are some of the things we've done from May through September about > > > iSeries marketing and advertising.... note that marketing is not just > > > advertising. > > > radio ads jointly done with Websphere ran in Atlanta, Dallas and > >Chicago > > > stepped up press beyond midrange community > > > participation in trade shows that we have not participated in before, > > > i.e., Linuxworld > > > exec speakers at ISV conferences (JDE, SSA, Infinium, NEWS/400, The 400 > > > Group) > > > electronic campaign designer tool provided to bus partners for their > > > campaigns > > > exchange your exchange ad - in placed this week (you can download the > > > ad from > > > > >http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/domino/inotes/access10.html > > > eServer "Heist" commercial - aired during US Open, World Series > > > local user groups exec speakers (NorthEast, Toronto, Nashville, Long > > > Island) > > > IT and WallStreet analyst briefings leading to great reports from IDC, > > > Gartner, Robert Francsis > > > new case studies published --- approx 8 new ones in August alone > > > have diseminated thousands of copies to "I can do it" to non-customers, > > > large systems integrators and current customers > > > announcement education, lunch and learns, customer ebriefings by the > > > "bunches" > > > > > > See this url for iSeries press links: iSeries Press home: > > > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/news/ > > > > > > BTW, two guys who are doing a wonderful job writing letters to those who > > > write for major magazines .... this is so effective coming from the > > > customer directly to the non-iSeries magazines.... these guys write and > > > ask why they didn't mention iSeries and then proceed to explain what they > > > missed in the article. The results are articles coming out in > > > InformationWeek and ComputerWorld in the next month or two ..... The > > > magazine writers don't listen to IBM, because we're not objective ..... > > > they will listen to you .... <grin>.... they don't realize you aren't > > > objective, either! > > > > > > Regarding the commercial comment, our research and customer input tells > >us > > > that customers think IBM is stuffy. These are image commercials ---- > > > Jerry, it is about changing IBM's image. The image is; thought > > > leadership for all aspects of IT and ease of doing business with. > > > > > > I know this doesn't answer all the questions ... but hopefully it helps. > > > Thanks! > > > > > > *********** > > > Have a great day! > > > The difference between mediocrity and greatness is a vision. > > > > > > Anne C. Lucas, > > > Project Executive, IBM eServer Mid-Market Servers Marketing > > > 205/823-4831 T/L 537-9968, > > > eFax: 603-687-8053,800/223-3907 Pager > > > > > > Admin Assist: Alice Sebastiano Telephone: (914) 642-4109, tie line > > > 224-4109 Fax: (914) 642-6976, tie line 224-6976 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Gerald Kern" > > > <gkern@buckeye-ex To: Anne > >Lucas/Birmingham/IBM@IBMUS > > > press.com> cc: > > > Subject: iSeries marketing > >request at Common Lug Luncheon > > > 11/06/2001 07:44 > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne, > > > > > > Attached you will find the amended text of the emails from the former > > > president of NWOMUG (NorthWest Ohio Midrange Users Group) regarding the > > > decision by her company to abandon the iSeries platform for Unix. You had > > > asked me to forward them to you along with her contact information. This > > > was > > > as we were both leaving the luncheon. > > > > > > Also during the Lug Luncheon in Minneapolis, you were soliciting for ideas > > > on how IBM can better market the iSeries. Forgive me if comments in this > > > email this sound a bit blunt, or rambling, but rest assured I understand > > > you > > > are only one person at IBM, and my comments are not directed towards you > > > but > > > towards the people responsible for marketing (and the lack of it). > > > > > > First off, at each LUG Luncheon I've attended over the last three years, > > > you > > > repeat the request for ideas of how to market this system. If IBM doesn't > > > believe in the system (evidenced by the lack of marketing) how can you > > > expect your customers to believe in it? That is why customers abandon the > > > platform. If IBM won't "sell" it, why then would anyone want to buy it? > > > > > > I'd like to re-iterate the point I made at the luncheon, that in New > > > Orleans > > > last spring Buell Duncan said that we could expect to see a major > >marketing > > > campaign for iSeries. As I said at the luncheon, I saw one ad in > > > Computerworld, and nothing else. In this light IBM's marketing efforts > > > haven't changed at all and as I'm sure you've heard at Common in the past, > > > the slogan, "It's The Marketing". Hopefully you can start a > >'squeaky-wheel' > > > syndrome. > > > > > > Another point I'd like to submit regarding IBM's marketing strategy, those > > > 'blue bar' TV commercials to me are blatantly arrogant. To me they make > > > your > > > customers look like a bunch of idiots. It seems that the marketing > >strategy > > > is to show a group of corporate people gathered together who point fingers > > > and/or don't have a clue about what their needs are. And then IBM tells > >us > > > "We Are So Ready for IBM". Why would we want IBM, if we don't know what we > > > want? Using that logic tells your customers to blindly follow IBM's lead - > > > why should I be that loyal when IBM isn't even loyal to iSeries? I feel > > > this > > > sounds like a vague description, but please, IBM needs to focus on reality > > > and not that 'vision thing'. I know IBM can solve problems, but you need > >to > > > sell the steak and not the sizzle. Codernauts? Please - those are cheesier > > > than Velveeta..... I don't understand for the life of me how a company > >with > > > so much talent can use sitcom mentality when so much is at stake. > > > > > > Now the commercial I'd like to see, in 30 seconds, would be one where the > > > situation revolves around a system administrator going to the CFO (of a > > > multinational Fortune 100) on Monday morning to explain that a hard drive > > > crashed on the server over the weekend. The CFO looks terrified and asks > > > how > > > long it will take to get the system back up, and whether any data was > >lost. > > > The system administrator says "Relax, we're already up." The CFO says "How > > > can that be?" The system administrator replies "We use iSeries, and the > > > drives were mirrored, and the system called and reported the problem to > >IBM > > > and they were here to replace the drive on Saturday. IBM replaced the > >drive > > > and we didn't even need to re-boot." Then during the fade, a voice says, > > > for > > > more info on the only system that has never had a virus, has never been > > > hacked, has the scalability of a supercomputer (starting at around $10K), > > > can do web serving, supports java, support Notes, Domino & Linux, runs NT > > > natively, supports real programming languages like SQL, Cobol, RPG, C and > > > has the best database bar none, along with the lowest Overall Total Cost > >of > > > Ownership,AND a bunch of users more loyal than Apple users, that can be > > > backed up with one command to one tape... call 1-800-IBM-SERV (or whatever > > > the number of the day is). Also, it wouldn't hurt to mention that 90+%? of > > > Fortune 500 companies use iSeries. > > > > > > Finally, on a personal note, last Christmas I was laid off as a consultant > > > for a local IBM business partner. It took me three months to find a > > > position > > > (for which I was overqualified and underpaid) on the iSeries platform. > > > Fortunately, I've since found a better position, but am again hearing > > > rumblings of the possibility that the platform will be dumped for, yes, an > > > non IBM platform. My company, has no real techies at the top, (I work for > >a > > > medical facility), and all the decision makers hear is what they hear on > > > the > > > golf course (and they discuss what the ad's say during the Sunday morning > > > news and weekend sports shows - especially the golf tournaments - they all > > > watch golf - hint - hint - this is where the above commercial should be > > > aired, not just once but ad nauseum). They don't know what an iSeries is > > > and > > > only know that the AS/400 is old technology - why? Because it's not > > > marketed - and without marketing there is no visibility. After all, if it > > > was new technology, IBM would surely market it. (That's what those who > > > don't > > > know anything about iSeries or computers in general tend to think.) > > > > > > If IBM won't start marketing specific platforms to the public in general > >to > > > get the word out that the iSeries does web serving, does support java, > >does > > > support NT, does GUI and Visual Basic, and can be backed up with one > > > command > > > to one tape, there will be no future for iSeries. It's really that simple, > > > advertising sells, and if you don't believe that just look at what it's > > > done > > > for Microsoft. Their (MS) products are junk compared to iSeries. But if > >IBM > > > can't see that, it proves my point. If IBM won't even sell its best > >product > > > then you need to stop asking the user group for ideas on how to market the > > > product. You can tell your boss I said so. > > > > > > Regards, Jerry Kern > > > IBM Certified AS/400 RPG Developer, > > > 15+ year veteran of the industry, > > > Past President & Current Director of NWOMUG. > > > > > > gkern@buckeye-express.com > > > > > > (See attached file: Nwomug Email.txt) > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >This is the (Interlug) mailing list > >To post a message email: Interlug@midrange.com > >To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, > >visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/interlug > >or email: Interlug-request@midrange.com > >Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives > >at http://archive.midrange.com/interlug. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >This is the (Interlug) mailing list > >To post a message email: Interlug@midrange.com > >To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, > >visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/interlug > >or email: Interlug-request@midrange.com > >Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives > >at http://archive.midrange.com/interlug. > > > > Glenn Ericson > Ph. (718)898-9805 > <mailto:Glenn-Ericson@att.net>mailto:Glenn-Ericson@att.net > -- > > _______________________________________________ > This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list > To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/midrange-l > or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@midrange.com > Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives > at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. >
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