RE: Replacing IIS with iSeries 400

I agree with the LANSA comments!

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
[mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of MDC Information
Systems
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 1:59 PM
To: midrange-l@midrange.com
Subject: Re: Replacing IIS with iSeries 400


Joe,

I'm a great admirer of your usually logic & well presented arguments but
this-

>snip
'Finally, only as a last resort would I look to a 4GL.  The biggest problem
with a 4GL is that they are rarely open enough to allow serious
customization, and so you are tied to whatever the 4GL thinks is necessary.
If they don't support the ability to tie a dropdown to an AS/400 file, then
chances are the workaround is going to be pretty painful.
>snip

IS simply CRAZY! Justify that statement please or withdraw it. Have you ever
used LANSA? or evaluated it?
Yes, I'm a '<SHAMELESS ' LANSA addict but I like to think I understand what
the other languages & tools deliver before putting them in the 'last resort
' box.

Regards,
Mike Dunnion
www.mdc.ie


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Pluta <joepluta@PlutaBrothers.com>
To: midrange-l@midrange.com <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Date: 01 October 2001 16:05
Subject: RE: Replacing IIS with iSeries 400


>Don, it depends on a few factors.  The first choice is JSP vs. anything
>else.
>
>JavaServer Pages are very flexible and easy to implement, and allow you to
>use whatever architecture you most want to use.  You can put logic in the
UI
>layer (JavaScript), in the application control layer (servlets) or on the
>host (RPG servers).  The downside is that you will need to learn a minimal
>amount of Java.  How much depends on your architecture.  If you're going to
>design a true client/server environment, the Java coding is minimal.  Also,
>you'll need a web application server, either Tomcat or WebSphere.
>
>If you decide these hurdles are too high, then I would highly suggest
taking
>a look at a "full" RPG CGI implementation, such as Simon Coulter outlined
on
>the WEB400-L list (which is also where you might want to take this
>question).  In this, you have a number of service programs (how many
depends
>on the sophistication of your application) that basically perform the same
>functions as the JSP compiler.  It's overkill, but it's probably the best
>option for shops that simply don't want to learn Java.  (Whether that's a
>good idea or not, I leave to you, but you can guess my opinion on the
>matter.)
>
>Finally, only as a last resort would I look to a 4GL.  The biggest problem
>with a 4GL is that they are rarely open enough to allow serious
>customization, and so you are tied to whatever the 4GL thinks is necessary.
>If they don't support the ability to tie a dropdown to an AS/400 file, then
>chances are the workaround is going to be pretty painful.
>
><SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION>
>
>Or, since you are primarily an RPG shop, you might want to consider using
my
>PSC400 tool.  With this, you can do all your development and design as
green
>screen, and then automatically convert your green screen programs to run on
>the web.  While the generated JSPs (see www.plutabrothers.com) aren't
>particularly sophisticated, if you have staff with HTML skills, they can
>easily modify the JSPs for whatever look and feel you'd like.  That way,
>your RPG programmers concentrate on RPG, and your web folks concentrate on
>the web, and you don't have to worry about them colliding.
>
></SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION>
>
>Joe Pluta
>www.plutabrothers.com
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
>> [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Schenck, Don
>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:29 AM
>> To: 'midrange-L@midrange.com'
>> Subject: Replacing IIS with iSeries 400
>>
>>
>> Okay gang --
>>
>> I've managed to get my client to consider using their iSeries 400 box(es)
>> for our huge browser-based application (that we are getting ready to
begin
>> developing) rather than the existing IIS-based stuff.
>>
>> My question is this: What would YOU suggest for developing browser-based
>> applications on the 400?
>>
>> WebSphere?
>> Chili!ASP?
>> e-RPG?
>> Java?
>> 4GL (Lansa, COOL, etc)?
>>
>> Our skills are ASP, VB and RPG. We can learn new stuff, but would
>> rather not
>> if we can avoid it.
>>
>> -- Don Schenck, Schenck Technical Consulting
>
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