RE: Midrange Computing Closed -- MIDRANGE-L

This is why I say there should be no compensation other than cash.

Corporations have employees over a barrel because of fringe benefits, the
most important being health ins.  Remove those fringe benefits from the
equation, and you can walk anytime, at will, with little price to pay.

Why do we have fringe benefits?  Because of wage freezes during WWII.  It
was the only way to give someone a raise.  Now, we're enslaved by them.  I
know a lot of people who won't quit to get a better job because of their
"benefits".  I'd call them chicken except often they're right.

Phil



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
> [mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of ken shields
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 6:44 PM
> To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: Midrange Computing Closed
>
>
>       What we're leading up to is a severe breakdown in civility.
>       The "at will" methodology is very much slanted in favor of the
>       employer, let me explain.
>       In the majority of cases, an employee who decides to leave their
>       employment, can do so giving the reasonable one or two week notice
>       In some very rare cases, most of them of an emotional nature, the
>       employee feels he/she must leave immediately.
>       The employer on the other hand, has a vast source of people to
>       potentially replace the employee; hence the physiological
>       advantage.
>       In reality, this advantage is a form of mental abuse, which
>       occasionally rears it's ugly head.
>       This imbalance is not fair,but, how many things in life are fair?
>       The answer;
>       Neither party in an employment contract should have the 'right'
>       to dismiss the other party with impunity, like a divorce.
>       Pre-emptive firings, by hot headed management, often lead to
>       wrongful dismissal law suits, and so they should.
>       The short coming in this mechanism, and I believe states or
>       countries should have this in place, is that the employee who
>       unjustifiably, ups and leaves, for no reason, should in fact
>       be punished with an amount of moneys equal to their severance
>       pay.
>       I swear sometimes, these laws are designed by lawyers, to force
>       a situation of combativeness to ream more legal fees from the
>       situation.
>       Again, with reality that forces a one sided balance of power,
>       no equality can be reached, hence, no civility.
> ps
>       The example of marriage is not absurd.We spend more time at work
>       than we do with our spouses.
>       rights must be balanced with responsibility.
>
> boothm@goddard.edu wrote:
> >
> > People talk about "at will" employment as if it is all one sided.  It
> > isn't one-sided at all.   The employee has every right to quit anytime
> > he wants, with no notice whatsoever if he so wishes.  Why shouldn't
> > the other party to that employment arrangement have the same right?
> >
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> >  jeff_carey@baxter.com
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> >  owner-midrange-l@midrange.com        MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> >                                              cc:
> >  07/30/01 10:44 AM                           Subject:        RE:
> >  Please respond to MIDRANGE-L        Midrange Computing Closed
> >
> > Further, in some states like my own Illinois, employment is entirely
> > "at
> > will."  That is, you can be hired and fired for any reason (or no
> > reason),
> > the sole exception being discrimination.  Now if the company does
> > interstate commerce, Federal laws come into play, but these are still
> > heavily in favor of the employer for the most part.
> >
> > Joel Fritz <JFritz@sharperimage.com>
> > Sent by: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
> > 07/27/01 12:28 PM
> > Please respond to MIDRANGE-L
> >
> >        To:     "'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'" <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
> >        cc:
> >        Subject:        RE: Midrange Computing Closed
> >
> > Completely legal.  In recent years many US employers, in order to
> > prevent
> > wrongful termination lawsuits, have adopted an "at will employment"
> > policy.
> > Employees are required to sign a document acknowledging that the
> > employer
> > may let them go for no stated reason at any time.  There is a federal
> > law
> > that requires large employers who are planning to lay off more than a
> > certain number of people (1000?) at a given location to give 60 days
> > notice.
> >
> > A very common strategy for "small" mass layoffs is that employees are
> > given
> > no notice til the day of the layoff.  On the day of the layoff they
> > come
> > to
> > work only to find the building closed.  They are then allowed to enter
> > the
> > building for a short time accompanied by a security guard in order to
> > get
> > personal belongings.  We trust each other over here. <g>
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: McCallion, Martin [mailto:MccalliM@Midas-Kapiti.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 9:14 AM
> > > To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
> > > Subject: RE: Midrange Computing Closed
> > >
> > >
> > > Al Barsa said:
> > > > All of
> > > > the employees were terminated yesterday, and they're all
> > > > looking for jobs
> > > > now.  They got no severance, or anything.
> > >
> > > Is that legal in the States?  It wouldn't be here (UK) -- at least
> > for
> > > employees who had  two years+ service.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Martin.
> > >
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