Re: no Java in XP Windows -- MIDRANGE-L



----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Richter" <srichter@AutoCoder.com>
To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: no Java in XP Windows


> Chris,
>
> You say ms does not innovate.  Here is an example of how they have.

Did I say that? I didn't think so. If I did, I didn't mean to. What I would
say is that they do not innovate to the degree that so many other vendors
do. I would say that Microsoft is very much behind the curve on innovation
and they introduce new things much, much slower than they would if they had
a competitive market place.

> Why was excel and word accepted in the office in favor of 123 and wp? Imo,
> one of the primary reasons was because they enabled a programming language
> to control excel word and access. Visual basic for applications was made
the
> macro language. COM was developed to enable automation from vc++.

I've already discussed the elements that pushed Word and Excel into the
marketplace. COM was not developed to enable automation from vc++, it was
developed 1. To give an "Industry Standard" look to Activex, and 2. as a
response to SOM and DSOM, the existing object models developed by IBM around
the CORBA standard.

Microsoft doesn't like to use standards that aren't theirs and they have
enough of a "following" that they don't have to.

Steve, I've never been at a place that developed VB for embedding in Excel.
I have been at many sites which felt they were forced to move from WP
because of document incompatibility issues.

> About 8 yrs ago I wrote vb code in excel and appc code in c++ that
provided
> a real time connection between an excel spreadsheet with the as400
database.
> As soon as a part# was entered in a cell, the desc of the part was
retrieved
> from the as400 and placed in an adjacent cell.
>
> I doubt if I can do that in 123 even today.

I don't know if you can. I know that years ago Lotus announced that Java
would be used as it's scripting/control language. I have not used it in
years, so I don't know if they ever succeeded.

But a key to your point of view is right there, you don't even know if that
could be done in123, yet you are sure this is a reason that Excel took over
the market! Wouldn't it be a good idea to know a little more about it before
you became sure?

> I recognize excellence where ever I see it. Maybe if rochester allowed its
> developers to make as much money as the ms developers do, we would get the
> innovation we need on our platform that we will need in the yrs to come.

I don't really think that how much money a developer makes is the key to
inspiration. MS developers weren't paid much, but were given the stock
options. Many innovative developers have created new and wonderful things
for little or nothing.

> Steve Richter


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