RE: OpenSource version of WebFacing (was: alternative to WebFacing)

["Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

If anyone wants to be told "This can be done, and here's how you're going to
do it" they're going to have to hear it from someone other than me.  The
proof is in the pudding.  But, by the same token, I'm not going to say it
can't be done, until the best effort has been made and it comes up short.
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Let's cut to the chase here.  I spend a lot of time going through your
posts, jt, because they make some coherent sense.  My biggest frustration,
though, is that I see a lot of heat and light, but no actual commitment.
Paragraphs like the above, where you reference "the best effort" while at
the same time distancing yourself from active participation "someone other
than me" are somewhat paradoxical in nature.  Wat exactly are you prepared
to do to get this effort off the ground?

I've already tried to do something with Java400.net, although it is at best
a spare time effort.  David Gibbs runs the mailing lists, including this
one.  Other people have made contributions to the community, from Easy400 to
Brad's tools to Bill Reger's adamantly freeware WRKDBF.  Some people will
contribute, some won't.  But until we as a group actually try to get
something started, this is a pointless exercise.  So, lest this conversation
devolve further into a pipe dream, the time has come, I think, to make a bit
of a stand... SOGOTP, so to speak (and I shant expand the acronym, except to
say that the last five words are "...or get off the pot" <smile>).

Discussions are wonderful.  But without action, words are just words.  In
fact, in your own words, "the proof is in the pudding," yet I don't even see
the gas being turned on the burner.

That being the case, since you've started all of this, I ask that you make
some suggestions as to what should be done.  Pick a project.  Pick a goal.
Put up a website dedicated to the proposition.  Solicit comments.  Poll the
masses.  Identify some objectives.  Identify some players.  Develop some
teams.  Draft some plans.  Conceive a prototype.  Write some code.  Show
some results.

These are all ACTION words.  Enough talk.

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