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Amen, Toomany will spen $100,000's on a refrigerated truck to deliver the goods but$0 on the sysyem to tell them what and where. ----- Original Message ----- From: <rob@dekko.com> To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: RE: Performance Review > > You are being too general with your comments on a IT company versus a non > IT company. I used to work for a consultant firm years ago. The only > training we got was what we could bill customers for, or, if we got some > credit from IBM for selling machines. Magazines were on your dollar. > > However with the company I've been happily working for, (going on 15 > years), I've been to COMMON several times, IBM technical conferences, our > excellent local users group. We've hired on site trainers. Get many > magazines. And the list goes on. > > It's in the attitude. Believe it or not, the IT systems consultant company > viewed programmers as an expense, (hence their bankruptcy?). While the > company I now work for views systems as one of their 4 pillars of strength. > > Rob Berendt > > ================== > Remember the Cole! > > > > Phil Groschwitz > <sublime78ska@yahoo To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > .com> cc: > Sent by: Subject: RE: Performance Review > owner-midrange-l@mi > drange.com > > > 04/05/2001 10:57 AM > Please respond to > MIDRANGE-L > > > > > > > Couple thoughts . . . > > Many people have quit and then did the same job as a > consultant, sometimes for the same company. More pay, > a lot more freedom, and a **huge** increase in > respect. > > This happened with a bit of reqularity during the last > recession. Westinghouse, for example, downsized their > documentation department out of existance. These guys > formed a company doing the same work, and guess who > their biggest client was? Westinghouse. (The > documentation company (can't remember the name) was > recently purchased by another company.) > > Also, I've found there to be much more satisfaction > when working for an IT company rather than in the IT > department of a non-IT company. Whatever your > profession, I think the satisfaction is highest when > the primary business of the company is also your > profession. > > In other words, are you viewed as an expense or a > revenue stream. > > Phil > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: MacWheel99@aol.com > > [mailto:MacWheel99@aol.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:43 AM > > > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > > > Subject: Performance Review > > > > > > > > > I just had my annual review & it was not a pretty > > sight. > > > > > > The good news includes - I still have my job - my > > boss has > > > given me clear > > > indication of what needs to be fixed & some > > overall goals, > > > which have been > > > sorely lacking in recent years. > > > > > > It occurs to me that it would be extremely > > constructive if I > > > could provide my > > > boss with some alternatives to the system he now > > uses, since > > > he is not a > > > computer technical person ... how on earth is a > > non technical > > > computer person > > > expected to be able to judge the quality of > > software I write > > > in some language > > > he does not know ... how challenging is this or > > that? > > > > > > There is stuff that is extremely difficult for me > > to do, but I cannot > > > communicate with a non-programmer about what the > > challenges > > > are. How can a > > > non-programmer evaluate my performance? > > > > > > It would be simple for some 3rd party, familiar > > with the > > > languages we use, to > > > look at some of my programs in an audit & make > > some remarks > > > about how my > > > relative worth to the company, compared to the > > quality of > > > code at other > > > comparable companies, but I have been suggesting > > for decades > > > that we get a > > > computer audit on a larger scale, so this just > > aint going to happen. > > > > > > Of course this sort of thing can backfire. > > > > > > I remember in the midst of some conversion at a > > former > > > emplouer whining about > > > some challenge they had given me, saying that > > there is no way > > > I can get all > > > this done inside the deadlines, and my boss > > informing me that > > > the company, > > > without telling me, had asked IBM if I had what it > > took to do > > > the conversion, > > > without any professional help, and the SE (which > > tells you > > > how long ago this > > > was) told them that I was the best programmer that > > anyone at > > > the local IBM > > > office had ever had the good fortune to run > > across. So the > > > result of that > > > was they threw even more work my way. The shame > > of it was > > > that when I > > > finally left that place, I was unable to use the > > SE as a work > > > reference. I > > > did ask the SE for confirmation that this was not > > a snow job. > > > > > > I asked my current boss > > > > > > HOW MANY DAYS HAS THE COMPANY BEEN DOWN DUE TO > > COMPUTER > > > INFRASTRUCTURE > > > PROBLEMS? He said NONE, in a tone of voice as if > > he was > > > surprised that I > > > should ask such a question. I told him that in my > > opinion > > > there are 3 > > > reasons why that is so ,,, our choice of having > > IBM 400 > > > hardware, our choice > > > of a good ERP, and my performance in managing it. > > > > > > Now I think that there ought to be some industry > > statistics - > > > how many days > > > of surprise down time & other mishaps do other > > comparable > > > companies have - > > > 400 & non-400, so there is a basis of comparison > > with our performance. > > > > > > How much time do companies typically spend testing > > software > > > improvements? > > > How critical is this? > > > > > > I was going to ask him, but I bit my tongue, > > because my foot > > > was headed there > > > at lightning speed. HOW MANY COMPUTER BUGS HAVE > > BEEN > > > INTRODUCED AS A RESULT > > > OF SOFTWARE I HAVE WRITTEN FOR THE COMPANY. > > > > > > The reason I bit my tongue is that I can think of > > 3 in the > > > last 2 years & the > > > really embarrassing part of that answer is that 1 > > of them I > > > could not find, > > > so I developed a work around. > > > > > > This is another area in which there might be some > > reliable statistics. > > > Rate of bugs created, both in terms of like > > > 1 bug per million lines of source code & how many > > in what time period > > > > > > It would not be fair to compare to Microsoft > > Windows because > > > that software is > > > written with full intention of tossing it in the > > garbage > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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