• Subject: RE: Overlays and page segments
  • From: "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:12:11 -0600
  • Importance: Normal

To all... problem solved.  Because the router was spoofing an external
address, I had to add a *DFTROUTE entry to my route list.

Joe


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> From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
> [mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Joe Pluta
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 12:07 PM
> To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> Subject: RE: Overlays and page segments
>
>
> This is a cross-post.  I've posted it in a couple of other places, mostly
> because I am completely baffled and have no idea where to turn.
>
> Here's the issue:
>
> I've got an AS/400 sitting behind a router. The router performs
> NAT for me,
> but also does some port forwarding if I ask it nicely. For
> example, requests
> to my realworld IP address on port 25 go to my Linux machine, which has an
> internal address. I have a Linux box, a W2K workstation and an AS/400, all
> sitting behind a router.
>
> Let's say my addresses look like this:
>
> Realworld IP: 63.64.65.66
>
> Router: 10.10.10.101
> Linux: 10.10.10.102
> AS/400: 10.10.10.103
> W2K WS: 10.10.10.104
>
> Now, if I forward port 80 to the Linux box it works just fine. I
> do an HTTP
> GET to my realworld IP, and up comes the welcome page from my
> Linux machine.
> This is way cool. However, I can't seem to get it to map to the AS/400. I
> can access the AS/400's HTTP server INTERNALLY just fine, by using my 10.
> addressing. But it won't listen to the mapped request.
>
> So I did a little sniffing, and found out something interesting.
> When my W2K
> machine makes a request using the realworld IP, the following occurs on my
> network:
>
> 10.10.10.104 --> 63.64.65.66 (initial request)
> 63.64.65.66 --> 10.10.10.102 (request forwarded to Linux box!)
> 10.10.10.102 --> 63.64.65.66 (response from Linux box to router)
> 63.64.65.66 --> 10.10.10.104 (response finally returned to me)
>
> Notice how the router handles the port forwarding... it sends a request to
> the destination device, but only after spoofing the source
> address to be the
> realworld address of the router! I don't have the time to sit and think it
> through; I'd think you would just leave the real source address
> in place, or
> else pass the WAN address of the router (not the realworld
> address). I tried
> picturing the possible combinations of multiple requests forwarded to
> multiple devices through multiple IP addresses, and I started to get ill.
>
> And regardless of the WHY, this is how it works. So, rather than try to
> figure it out, I decided to go the next step. And that next step is to try
> and figure out why the AS/400 wasn't responding. And pure and simple, the
> AS/400 was ignoring those packets. Here's the trace:
>
> 10.10.10.104 --> 63.64.65.66 (initial request)
> 63.64.65.66 --> 10.10.10.103 (request forwarded to AS/400)
> (delay)
> 10.10.10.104 --> 63.64.65.66 (initial request)
> 63.64.65.66 --> 10.10.10.103 (request forwarded to AS/400)
> (delay)
>
> That goes on until the browser times out. Remember,
> communications work fine
> on the intranet, and if I watch the communications, it's fine:
>
> 10.10.10.104 --> 10.10.10.102 (request)
> 10.10.10.102 --> 10.10.10.104 (response)
>
> So, the issue seems to be that the AS/400 doesn't want to communicate with
> the external address. Now, where in the world is this configured? Due to a
> different problem (which I'll outline when I get a chance), I did a
> RMVTCPTBL TBL(*ALL), so that should have gotten rid of any latent IP
> filtering. So where else is IP filtering defined? In the HTTP
> configuration?
> In the line description? WHERE??!?!?!?
>
> <sigh>
>
> Thanks a million for listening to the frustrations of a beaten man... <wry
> grin>.
>
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