Re[4]: HTTP Server's jobs for CGI applications - RANT

[eric.delong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

     Ok, John, I don't know if your rant was directed at me or not. If 
     so, stuff it. All I did was ask how this discussion (which has 
     steadily degraded into a "mine's better" religious debate) is 
     related to the AS400. This is NOT specific to the AS400, but rather 
     a school of thought for web development. At best it is "potentially 
     applicable" to web developemnt on the AS400. Links have already 
     been submitted to sites that are specific to the topic at hand. 
     Their respective positions on the issues have been stated. What 
     left but the name calling that invariably accompanies these topics 
     of religion. 
     
     If you wish to continue this, then lets take it off-list. 
     
     peeved,
     eric.delong@pmsi-services.com


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Subject: Re: Re[2]: HTTP Server's jobs for CGI applications - RANT 
Author:  <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com> at INET_WACO
Date:    7/18/00 12:24 PM


     
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To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 09:51
Subject: Re: Re[2]: HTTP Server's jobs for CGI applications
     
     
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> >How does this topic involve the AS400? 
>
> Good question!  Lots of people want to use the AS/400 as a 
> web server, right?  Well, traditional AS/400 programmers
> now have a whole new set of issues to learn and many are 
> only now getting up to speed.
>
> Maybe David should start a new mailing list specifically 
> for web serving issues?
     
I agree that the list may need some reorganization.
     
I'm getting more than just a little bit tired of reading complaints about 
off-topic discussions on this list. As if to add insult to injury,  those 
complaints usually come from people who rarely, if ever, contribute anything 
to the list themselves.
     
The last time I checked, the name of this list was MIDRANGE-L. That implies 
(to me) that it is a general discussion list about all things 400. We should 
be able to discuss _ANY_ issues that pertain to the AS400. And web 
development certainly is an issue that that applies to any modern AS/400 
developer. I for one, have been learning from this exchange between Brad and 
Hans, and I would like to see it continue unfettered, until the participants 
have decided that it's enough.
     
Perhaps what we need is a new list called MIDRANGE-ANAL. This list would 
have the more stringent rules that some people seem to crave so much. Here 
are some guidelines as a suggestion:
     
- Topics will be limited to pre-1995 AS/400 technology subjects only.
- Humour, bantering, or any other type of "community building" is expressly 
prohibited.
- Any show of gratitude (ie: thank-you note) is off-topic, and will not be 
tolerated.
- Participants are expected to be telepathic - so that they'll know if 
another member has just replied to the same question.
     
While you're at it David, why not create one more list, called 
MIDRANGE-ELITE. Of course, this would be a private list, accessible by invit 
ation only. To qualify for entrance, one would have to display a remarkable 
level of arrogance, and an obvious superiority complex. I dare not suggest 
any guidelines for this particular list - that's best left to the persons of 
a higher intelligence who would comprise it's membership. The benefits of 
such a list will be immediately obvious to it's prospective members. They 
would no longer have to suffer through the endless litany of simplistic 
problems presented by the commoners on MIDRANGE-L.
     
All sarcasm aside, it might do well for us to remember the value that this 
list provides to it's membership. You cannot buy the kind of education that 
you receive here on a daily basis - FOR FREE. I wonder how many collective 
years of experience are brought to the table by some of our more senior 
members? Further, I wonder what it would cost me if I had to pay for that 
experience by the hour? If these same members decide that they'd like to 
spend a few moments reminiscing about an ancient tape drive, then by God let 
them do so. If you're not interested in the subject matter, and it's too much 
trouble to hit the delete key, then learn how to use your email client and 
set it to ignore the thread.
     
Finally, don't discount the value of building a sense of community here. What 
do you think keeps the most valuable members coming back? They rarely ever 
post a question - they usually don't have to! Yet, they spend a great deal of 
time and effort trying to help the rest of us. If you're not interested in 
getting to know them as individuals, then don't participate in the 
discussion(s). However, at the very least, I would expect you to excercise a 
level of tolerance so that your disinterest does not deprive the rest of us.
     
     
Sick of the whining,
     
John Taylor
Canada
     
     
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