RE: How can Java eat up 160meg of memory?

["Stone, Brad V (TC)" <bvstone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> Several points:  First, the vendor probably figures that anyone using
> Java knows better than to use the M$ JVM.  This may be 
> elitist on their
> part, but is common knowledge in Java circles. 

This is pure crap from the consumer endpoint and another bad argument from
the java defenders.  If the vendor thinks the consumer knows what a JVM is,
then they're a pretty sorry vendor and should be writing utilities for java
programmers, not tools for consumers that shouldn't have to  give a squirt
what language the app is written in.

  Finally, the vendor probably advertises that
> their application is Java so folks know they are not tied to WinXX --
> folks know the app will run on their operating system of choice
> (including OS/400). 

That's a laugh in a half and another one third!  The product is "made for
NT" and "written in java."  Means 2 things.  
1.  It will only run on Windows.  
2.  We wrote it in Java because it gets IT managers, purchasing folks, and
everyone else who doesn't know what it is all "hot under the collar" because
its "new technology."

There's no denying that.  Again, it's the under-educated consumer that gets
worked up with "techno-hype" that loses in this situation.  The only person
that gains is the vendor of the product.

Saying your app is written in Java is like an IPO for a tech stock.  It
doesn't mean much when the chips are cashed in.

> There are abundant examples of Java meeting real world business needs,
> and if you want to program to use the 'net then Java is 
> quickly becoming
> the lingua franca. 
> 

So I keep hearing.  But the two client-server apps I've used (not these
little applets or "helloworld examples") are slow.  And one for sure is
unreliable.  And the applets on the web just make my web browser slow down
or crash.

I know it could mean that Java got into the hands of a developement crew
that didn't know exactly what they were doing, but then again Java is so new
that no one is an expert with it, and I understand that.  

No one wins with hype that can't be backed up.

My 3 cents.

Brad
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