Re: Harbinger Trusted Link - GUI only?

1)  The problem with many EDI implementations is the non standard standards.  
For example, one standard for a PO is ANSI X.12 using the 850.  However, there 
are an infinite possibilities of laying out the 850.  What you may do for one 
customer will probably not apply to the next.

2)  Another problem with EDI implementations is the trick of integrating with 
your line of business app's.  I am talking going from the rip-and-read approach 
(also known as the worlds slowest, most expensive fax machine), to 
computer-to-computer 
integration.  Most ERP systems these days aren't setup for a batch interface, 
(like the old Mapics key from diskette interface).  And even if you pay extra 
for the module, (or modules, depending on the number of transaction sets) to 
do this, then you'll probably end up customizing them for each customer you 
do business with.

3)  Who, in their right mind, wants another computer between their ERP system 
and the EDI flow?  We purchased AS/400 software because of all of the inherent 
strengths of the 400 AND the ease of us doing the integration, AND lack of 
links in the chain to break.  Why would we want to put our EDI processing on 
a WinTel/Unix/Linux solution?  Forgive me if 'in their right mind' is an 
opinion and a precursor to a flame war.  I was just bringing up a viewpoint.






bdobrowolski@nisusa.com on 08/19/99 01:58:59 PM
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This project proposal I like.  And if it equals ZMOD, it will be one useful
project!!!

Bob Dobrowolski
Nordic Information Systems, Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim McCarthy <TimM@softwarejungle.com>
To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com' <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: Harbinger Trusted Link - GUI only?


>It's incredible how Harbinger can come out with a feature like "saving a
>map in the middle of creating it" and customers think this is a great
>leap forward. The market's expectancy of product features and quality in
>the EDI arena is so low that it's no wonder the adoption is slow and
>expensive. I still haven't figured out if this resignation is due to a
>lack of savvy in the average EDI implementor or a frustration with the
>dearth of new ideas from the translator vendors. I've floated the idea
>before about creating an EDI/free translator (a la Linux) where the
>source code is posted for anyone to use and add to and despite "free"
>being against my religion, this is one project I'd be happy to pitch
>into.
>
>TrailBlazer Systems, Inc.
>http://www.softwarejungle.com
>AS/400 E-Commerce Solutions
>
>Chaos, panic, & disorder - my work here is done.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wayne Cork [SMTP:WCORK@groendyke.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 6:16 AM
>> To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
>> Subject: RE: Harbinger Trusted Link - GUI only?
>>
>> I upgraded to this version back towards the beginning of this year.  I
>> was
>> not real happy with this fact either at first.  But I think there are
>> several advantages to this process.  The one big advantage I like is
>> the
>> fact you can save a translation format in the middle of creating it.
>> In the
>> old version you had to go completely through the mapping process
>> before you
>> could save it.  It was also a pain to go back in and modify a mapping
>> in my
>> opinion.
>>
>> I have run across several problem in this new version as well that I
>> am told
>> will be fixed.  Several of my mapping I hard code information into the
>> fields.  With this new version some of those hard codes do not work
>> like
>> they are suppose to.  You cant even map a work field to them.
>> Fortunately I
>> have only ran into a few that are this way.  Another problem I had was
>> not
>> all the mapping converted over correctly.  If I remember right I had
>> to make
>> modification to all my mappings before they would work correctly.
>> Some of
>> the modifications were minor but it was annoying that I had to make
>> any to
>> start with.
>>
>> Once you get use to it I think you will like the GUI interface.  It
>> has been
>> a learning process but there are features in the GUI interface for the
>> mappings that make it nice.
>>
>> Just my thoughts and experiences.
>>
>> Wayne Cork
>> Manager Information Systems
>> Groendyke Transport, Inc
>> wcork@groendyke.com
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Stone, Brad V (TC OASIS) [SMTP:bvstone@taylorcorp.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 4:31 PM
>> > To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
>> > Subject: Harbinger Trusted Link - GUI only?
>> >
>> > We just were working with Trusted Link/400 version 3.2 (the newest
>> > version).
>> > We had someone in from another company that is on a previous version
>> (11 I
>> > think, don't ask me why it's 11).
>> >
>> > When we got to the part for Translation Format Maintenence, we got a
>> > message
>> > on our terminal that says to use the Client Interface.  There was a
>> PC
>> > version sent to us that basically uses Seagull screen scrapers.
>> Anyhow,
>> > we
>> > shrugged it off and started using the PC interface.  We when got to
>> the
>> > menu, ODBC error.  Great.  We got some PTF numbers that hopefully
>> will fix
>> > that.
>> >
>> > But, in the meantime, has anyone upgraded to this version?  If not,
>> are
>> > you
>> > aware that this option will no longer be available on the AS/400
>> menu?  We
>> > spoke with two tech supports who said this is correct... only the
>> GUI
>> > interface can be used to set up translations.
>> >
>> > Also, this is kind of a warning for folks that planned on upgrading.
>> The
>> > guy that was showing us how it worked said "Whew!  I was going to
>> upgrade
>> > last night!  I'm sure glad I didn't!"  He didn't even know this
>> existed in
>> > the upgrade.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?  Terrible marketing ploy in my opinion.
>> >
>> > Bradley V. Stone
>> > BVS/Tools
>> > http://www.bvstools.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Ken Slaugh [mailto:ken.slaugh@cm-inc.com]
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 7:22 PM
>> > > To: 'midrange-l@midrange.com'
>> > > Subject: DSKMOV command
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Is there such a command as DSKMOV? What OS/400 release did it
>> become
>> > > available? Is this the best way to balance storage after adding
>> > > additional DASD? How much time should be expected to complete the
>> > > process?
>> > >
>> > > Ken Slaugh
>> > > Programmer/System Analyst
>> > > Certified Network Administrator MSE
>> > > Specialist - Client Access/400
>> > >
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