RE: Re[2]: Growing your own programmers

You're all (ya'll for those in the south, you guys for those in the midwest)
preachin to the choir on this one!  :)

Bradley V. Stone
BVS/Tools
http://www.bvstools.com



-----Original Message-----
From: eric.delong@pmsi-services.com
[mailto:eric.delong@pmsi-services.com]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 2:03 PM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: Re[2]: Growing your own programmers 



     I am also self taught..... Makes me wonder how many of us there are 
     in our sector of IS. I started as a junior programmer for a local 
     bank DP shop while in high school. Again, lack of appropriate 
     compensation was one of the biggest problems I faced at that 
     company. 
     
     Just an observation about the shops I've worked at. None of them 
     have EVER offered, or even considered to send me (or anyone) to 
     class. No technical seminars, no in-house skills tutorials, 
     nothing. I've had to teach myself everything, and while I am proud 
     of what I have accomplished, I feel a little short changed by the 
     whole deal. I do feel that being self taught has had MANY positive 
     benefits (I understand the concepts better after much trial and 
     error), but I still feel that my employers are reaping the benefit 
     of my (sometimes torturous) endeavors, without even recognition of 
     my effort. I realize this biz we're in is in a constant state of 
     change, and that for one to be successful, one must stay current 
     with the technology. Ultimately, I'll still be working, but I still 
     wish my employer was willing to help me get better.
     
     Ok, so much for that rant..... 
     
     eric.delong@pmsi-services.com 


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Subject: RE: Growing your own programmers 
Author:  <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > at INET_WACO
Date:    6/18/99 12:11 PM


I'm a self taught programmer myself. RPG, COBOL and system admin. here for
the AS400. I would have loved to have the opportunity to take some courses,
and I could probably still use some courses but need all my time just to
keep up the demands of the job right now. I'm in a small company so there is
no one to 'turkey' with, that's why I like this midrange group!
Art   

-----Original Message-----
From: DAVID BULOG [mailto:d2ba@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 5:00 AM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: Re: Growing your own programmers


I was answering the  "phones" and taught myself to program(well Im still
learning) with VB doing nothing but Client Server for AS/400.(DDE and
Active X)
Our in house programmer left :so I learnt by buying a ton of books and
cuting and pasting bits of his source code into my projects, got to work
and then when over each line to I understood how it worked.
No teacher or courses.

Dave B

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> From: Colin Williams <Williamsc@technocrats.co.uk>
> To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
> Subject: RE: Growing your own programmers
> Date: Friday, 18 June 1999 20:33
> 
> I dont know if I can help, but I am a "non-programmer" (as/400 op for 5
> years), who became a programmer.
> 
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From:         Allen, Mark [mailto:ALLENMA1@mattel.com] 
> > Sent:        Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:42 PM
> > To:        MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> > Subject:        Growing your own programmers
> > 
> > Would appreciate any input from companies and/or individuals who have
> taken "non-programmers" and through in house training/external training
> converted them to AS/400 RPG programmers.  I am considering starting a
> program here to do that and would like all the "experts" out there who
> may have done something similar to share their experiences.
> > 
> > Mark Allen
> > MIS Manager
> > Mattel-Murray
> > allenma1@mattel.com
> > 
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