RE: More cycle, yes, more cycle

[Colin Williams <Williamsc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Cycle Processing simple. I only ever find it simple when used to do very
straight-forward updates or reports. Introduce level breaks and matching
records, and everything goes doo-lally 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stone, Brad V (TC) [mailto:bvstone@taylorcorp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 2:23 PM
To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
Subject: RE: More cycle, yes, more cycle


Difficulty is a point of view.  Most of these people are learning Java
now
in school for programming techniques.  If the students can understand
encapsulation and other OO programming techniques, they certainly should
be
able to handle simple cycle processing.

Bradley V. Stone
Taylor Corporation - OASIS Programmer/Analyst   
bvstone@taylorcorp.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colin Williams [SMTP:Williamsc@technocrats.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 4:44 AM
> To:   'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
> Subject:      RE: More cycle, yes, more cycle
> 
> I think the main reason they dont teach logic cycle is that most
people
> learn some form of structured programming at college/university, so
can
> get int full procedural programming fairly easily. The logic cycle
adds
> another level of difficulty. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James W Kilgore [mailto:email@james-w-kilgore.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 7:34 AM
> To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: More cycle, yes, more cycle
> 
> 
> Geez, I've almost bit through my lip on this one, but, like David, I
> just have to add some spit to the can...
> 
> For those that can not "see" the cycle: I can't "see" gravity, but I
> know its effects.
> 
> A lousy programmer can mess up just about any method.  It's not the
> fault of the method.
> 
> Ignorance of a method does not make the method "evil".  If you can
learn
> a 100 LOC COBOL/BASIC/etc. solution to Lx, you can pick up on language
> dependent features.  It's sort of like expanding your vocabulary.
> 
> IMHO, so long as any flavor of RPG lives, so does the cycle.  For
> R_eport P_rogram G_eneration, the cycle is still a good thing.
> 
> Maintaining a cycle program (not spaghetti) does -not- have to be
> costly, unless of course you answered <$100 education budget in
David's
> latest poll. ;-)
> 
> P.S. Having hired a few people fresh out of school, IMO the cycle is
> taught incorrectly and this is the major factor in the
> reluctance/difficulty in understanding a very simple concept.  They
> teach internal behavior instead of external effect.  I've never, in 22
> years, had to capitalize on the fact that the cycle starts with total
> time output.  From a practical point, the cycle starts with file open,
> primary/secondary file read, level begin, detail, level total.  The
same
> way you order the mainline specs.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Wynn Osborne wrote:
> > 
> > When I first learned the cycle, I loved it!
> 
> Wynn,
> 
> I still do love it, I just use it less and less.
> >
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