I thought that all temporary PTF's had to be either removed or
permanently applied before an upgrade?

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Glenn Birnbaum [mailto:gbirnba@rei.com]
                Sent:   Tuesday, March 23, 1999 7:55 PM
                To:     'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
                Subject:        RE: Upgrade... help!!

                We upgraded one of our systems from V4R1 to V4R3 without
applying PTF's perm and I didn't notice any issues.  It may have taken
longer (according to the documentation), but I had no other reference to
tell if that was the case.  I don't think you need to worry.  It took us
about 3-4 hours on a 510/2144 (with some older 9337's still in use).
Good Luck!

                Glenn Birnbaum

                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: Roger Boucher [SMTP:RBoucher@stanpac.com]
                > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 10:46 AM
                > To:   'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
                > Subject:      Upgrade... help!!
                > 
                > We are planning on upgrading our from V4R1 to V4R3
tonight.  We VERY
                > recently applied all our PTF's perm and just to make
sure I went and
                > looked.  A WHOLE bunch of temp PTFs!!  Service
Director maybe?  Someone
                > ordering PTF's I don't know about?  Anyway, what are
the ramifications
                > of attempting to upgrade tonight with all these temp
PTFs?
                > 
                > Thank you for any help.
                > 
                > 
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: Kirk Goins [mailto:kgoins@ix.netcom.com]
                > Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 6:35 PM
                > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
                > Subject: Re: A - B side of microcode
                > 
                > 
                > What happens is all the PTFs on the "B" side get
copied to the "A". Now
                > the A
                > and B sides are equal. The B side is always there.
                > 
                > Gerald Magnuson wrote:
                > > 
                > > I am getting ready to go to V4R3 in a few weeks,
from V3R7.
                > > 
                > > I perm. applied my PTF's the other week and IPL'ed.
I see that
                > > all my PTF's are perm. applied.  However, I still
see that I am
                > > running on the "B" side.  I thought that the "B"
side disappeared
                > > when there were no Temp. PTF's (I have no idea where
I got this
                > > assumption).
                > > 
                > > Does the "B" side only exist when there are Temp.
PTF's?
                > > 
                > > Does the *Panel value change to "A" when all PTF's
are *PERM
                > > applied?  Maybe this is why I have found my system
to be running
                > > on the "A" side after Perm. applying my PTF's. ( I
use to just do a
                > > PWRDWNSYS *IMMED RESTART(*YES) IPLSRC(*PANEL), where
                > > now I use "B" as my IPLSRC)
                > > 
                > > Gerald Magnuson
                > > The Knapheide Manufacturing Company
                > > Quincy Illinois
                > > 
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