I am not questioning anything I know from experience in the OC area there is a shortage of educated people.

What is your constructive point to the conversation? 15 years of rpg III coding is useful and relevant to finding a new job somehow.

You should stop guessing about things you have no idea about, I was educated by california's proud public school and college system. If you were to use my thinking you would not hire me to be an editor and I would not hire you because you are resistant to learning new things and having an open mind to how the entire computer infrastructure is related.



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I find it amusing that you question there being educated people out there
looking for work. From your writing it's obvious you don't have command of
the English language. You don't know the difference between here and hear,
their and there, and oh yes it's paid not payed. You might have excellent
coding skills, but lack other necessary skills. Just because there are areas
that people lack knowledge of does not mean they do not have any experience.
If I was to use your thinking than I would have to guess from your writing
that you are uneducated.

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I strongly disagree that there are plenty of educated and trained professionals available. I am not a programmer and I get the feeling the majority of the people frustrated by the H-1B situation are programmers. I quit my very high paying job with great benefits on purpose over 12 months ago. Most of the IT professionals in the market have outdated skills so I now contract and make more than top dollar working for companies that are having a hard time finding people with the skills they need. I do for them what they can not find in the open market at a premium. I pick and choose my jobs and keep raising my rate and I have more work than I want. The company I worked for had an open position when I quit and then opened my position. In the +12 months since I left they have only been able to find one person who was somewhat qualified and they ended up letting them go after 3 months. One of my best friends switched jobs a few months back and was offered the job on the spot plus was offered higher than market because the interviewer told him that in 6 months he was the first person he had interviewed he would even consider hiring. I live in southern California, orange county area and I know a lot of people in the business and I constantly here from them how frustrated they are when it comes to finding qualified people. I have interviewed dozens of people for iSeries jobs over the years, and you ask them questions about networking, SSL, journaling, commitment control, writing secure applications, how to create test scripts, and they will often not even know the basic concepts - and these are people who claim to have years of experience.

I don't know who gets the h-1b money, and I don't worry about it. The last timed I payed for training I knew more than the trainer. I train myself using the free resources on the internet or sometimes I purchase a reference book and I put the time in to understand the concepts. Lots of time I learn on the job, just today someone asked me if I could put together an active directory script to make some user account changes. I have never written an AD script in my life, I am an iSeries guy but I understand the concepts, I went to the internet to free resources and found the information I needed, created a test plan, put the script together, tested it, documented it and at the end of the day I had a very happy client and I was happy - I got payed to learn today.

I don't want anyone to lose there job, and I am sure it is even more frustrating when you get outsourced, but I believe we all need to plan to someday lose our job. So I make sure I keep current, I network with people, I have my rainy day + perfect time for a vacation fund and I believe new challenges are a great thing.

Shadrach Scott


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I'm sorry to interrupt here, and I don't know if what you are saying about
the grant is true or not, but the problem isn't that we don't have educated,
trained IT professionals available in the US. There are plenty of educated,
trained, AND experienced people available to fill the jobs.
Cindy> From: pvinodr@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Date:
Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:42:39 -0500> Subject: Re: [MIDRANGE-JOBS] Dissed-belief>
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Not sure if I understood the response to the info wrong or others have
worngly inferred the award.> "H-1B HIGH GROWTH JOB TRAINING GRANTS"> I'm not
for or against H1B...being a beneficiary of this...:-)> Now, coming to the
grants...the money is collected from employers who employ H1B & then this is
disbursed to encourage IT education/Job training in US.> > Rgds,Vinod >
From: AlexMRPG@xxxxxxx> To: midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx; jmurfitt@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:00:12 -0500> Subject: Re: [MIDRANGE-JOBS]
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first time business possibly a consulting company, when I came across this.
A Federally funded government grant encouraging hiring of H1B's this was
just a small excerpt of what they consider accomplishments with what is
called "High Growth Job Training Initiative"! > > ----- Original Message
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ACCOMPLISHMENTS > As of March 2006, 131 grants worth over $258 million have
been awarded> under the High Growth Job Training Initiative. Between July 1,
2005 and> March 30, 2006 over $54 million in H-1B funds have been awarded
under the> High Growth Job Training Initiative. During 2006, competitions
are expected> for talent development investments in the advanced
manufacturing,> construction, and energy under the President's High Growth
Job Training> Initiative. Under the WIRED Initiative, ETA has awarded $195
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