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Disclaimer: these are not comments to the substance of this thread - just technical nit-picking... > I think that just as the C++ class/member approach to programming is > superior to the flat ile module approach, the class/member organization and > access to system api's will prove superior to the standalone system api. "C++ class/member approach" cannot be superior or inferior to ILE, simply because they are apples and oranges. ILE does not preclude "C++ class/member approach" in any way - in fact C++ is happily implemented in ILE without any problems whatsoever... > If an os uses the class/mbr approach the os is organizationally forced > to provide all the dtaara api's as class mbr functions, accessible from any language. With all respect, how os can enforce access to "class mbr functions" in *any" language, if this *any* language happens not to support "class mbr" paradigm - e.g. C does not have any notion of "class mbr function" ... ? Alexei Pytel "Steve Richter" To: <MI400@midrange.com> <srichter@Auto cc: Coder.com> Subject: Re: mi access to a dtaara Sent by: owner-mi400@mi drange.com 06/01/2001 04:11 PM Please respond to MI400 > >You will note that MS does not provide access to absolutely everything >within the OS. There is a selected set of objects that are accessible by >the .NET approach. Unless and until MS provides access to absolutely every >object in the OS, your analogy is not valid. > >This is innovative?!?! Isn't this accomplished by simply providing header >files for the objects they choose to make "manageable" or "public" or >whatever? Is this somehow different from the IBM API approach? What's new >here? >-- >Dennis Lovelady Fayetteville, GA Dennis, I dont have working knowledge of .NET. Just 2 yrs of c++ and the win32 api. So I will defer to you on what it really offers. Imo it is relevant to an as400 api discussion bc it provides the working example of another approach. I think that just as the C++ class/member approach to programming is superior to the flat ile module approach, the class/member organization and access to system api's will prove superior to the standalone system api. An example. This dtaara api issue. The as400 does provide api's for all dtaara functions. Some like ChgDtaAra and DltDtaAra have to be called from a cl pgm, others like the rtvdtaara api can be called from a hll pgm. If an os uses the class/mbr approach the os is organizationally forced to provide all the dtaara api's as class mbr functions, accessible from any language. 2nd example. Chgs and additions to the api. As400 adds addn parms to its api, adds another rtn fmt name ( objd0100, objd0200, ... ) when it adds a new feature to its api. This makes the api increasing more complex to use. Some parms are ignored, others must be set to a specific value, ... In the class/mbr paradigm, when an api gets a new feature, a new mbr function is added to the class. No chg to the original mbr function. The os knows which one is being called based on the nbr of arguments passed, the types of these arguments. See mark, no mention of .Net <g> Have a nice weekend, Steve Richter +--- | This is the MI Programmers Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MI400@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MI400-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MI400-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: dr2@cssas400.com +--- +--- | This is the MI Programmers Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MI400@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MI400-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MI400-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: dr2@cssas400.com +---
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