Re: setsppfp bug

Thank you for being frank about this. I think that your posting
answers Kurt's criticism that the people should have gone to IBM
first. It seems that the way to get IBM to fix things is to expose
them first in public, *THEN* we get instant action.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Guthrie <GaryGuthrie@home.com>
To: <MI400@midrange.com>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: setsppfp bug


> I kept a lid on it from the USER community.
>
> I DID go to IBM. I won't mention names, but there was no interest shown.
> The IBMer didn't want to give me enough credit that I knew what I was
> talking about. When I next tried, I could have maybe gotten through to
> them, but first they wanted a Support Line contract or hourly rates
> paid. That was enough for me to just let them ignore it.
>
> Let's all be realistic - there's no way in the world that IBM just
> simply didn't realize that the user's password was stuffed out there at
> sign-on time. They knew it and ignored it because those of us not in the
> security-clique are just plain too dumb to discover things on our own.
>
> This is nothing new, though. Way back to the days of the S/38 I've
> witnessed the user community getting the "you're too dumb" attitude from
> IBM in a variety of ways.
>
> Don't get me wrong - I'm a HUGE, even GIGANTIC, IBM fan and have an
> excellent working relationship with them for the most part. It seemed
> they wanted to ignore this problem, so I obliged them by ignoring and
> not telling, too.
>
>
>
> Gary Guthrie
>
>
>
> Leif Svalgaard wrote:
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > It would seem to me that "keeping a lid" on a hole is a
> > dubious way of dealing with a real issue. That's security
> > by obscurity. Why did you not urge IBM to fix it a long,
> > long time ago rather to allow the hole to exist.
> > The assumption that "the bad guys" would not
> > come across it is not a valid security policy.
> >
> > Leif
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gary Guthrie <GaryGuthrie@home.com>
> > To: <MI400@midrange.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 1:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: setsppfp bug
> >
> > > Dan,
> > >
> > > I've kept a lid on this hole for a long, long time. It appears that it
> > > is now becoming common knowledge. You have almost everything you need
to
> > > take care of the problem except perhaps a little work management
> > > knowledge. I'll send you details on plugging this hole (unfortunately,
> > > there are other holes).
> > >
> > > Gary Guthrie


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