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Re: MAPICS-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 125

I suppose we need to put this to bed. There is typically a clause in
MAPICS and Infor license agreements that require additional license
payments when a licensee grants access to any person who is not an
employee of that company, of Infor or a current affiliate of Infor. This
clause has been in a majority of contracts for many years. It is not a
financial penalty as such, but it is a license fee over and above the fee
already paid.

Quite frankly, I don't know the origin of this clause, nor do I know the
business justification. I have yet to find anyone who remembers when or
why it was put in. However, if it is in your agreement, it is a term of
your license. You could have an issue if you grant third party access and
Infor performs an audit.

I don't believe this has happened very often, and we don't consider it a
major licensing violation. However, you should be aware of the provisions
of your license pertaining to third party access. If you have this clause,
you are bound by its terms.

Best Regards,

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Product Manager ERP XA
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1. Re: IM transactions via SystemLink (DGowen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
2. Re: IM transactions via SystemLink (Richard Stover)
3. Re: IM transactions via SystemLink (Ronald Kral)
4. Re: IM transactions via SystemLink (Vic Belebczuk)
5. Non-Infor Partner personnel discussion (Dave Shaw)


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message: 1
date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:26:23 -0500
from: DGowen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

I would suggest you contact Infor or an affiliate about licensing. I do
not feel it is an appropriate topic for this group.
Also, in the 18 years I have worked with this product the channel
partners
and affiliates have been very helpful.

Diane Gowen
IT Manager
Moeller Marine Products




From: "Rusty Jackson" <RustyJackson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'" <mapics-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 10/30/2012 08:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
Sent by: mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



That is exactly how I read it Vanessa. I too am an independent service
contractor and would to understand what that means.

Rusty Jackson

-----Original Message-----
From: mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Vanessa King
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:07 AM
To: 'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

I believe the issue is that Brad indicates that using service providers
who
are not Infor Partners is a violation of Infor's license agreement and
"may
carry a significant financial remedy." As an independent service
contractor
I'd like an explanation of what that means.

-----Original Message-----
From: mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Dave Shaw
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:46 AM
To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

May I ask what prompted this statement on this mailing list? I don't
recall
seeing any discussion of 'personnel' in this thread prior to this rather
threatening comment. There had been recommendations to make inquiries of
Infor affiliates, but nothing about approaching anyone else. I hope this
isn't an indication of hostility to user groups on the part of certain
affiliates.

Dave Shaw
MAPICS-L manager


----- Original Message ----

From: Brad Spaits <brad.spaits@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion <mapics-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Mon, October 29, 2012 4:15:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

Just a caution that using non-Infor Partner personnel may violate the
Infor
license agreement and may carry a significant financial remedy for third
party access of the customer's Infor XA system.

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message: 2
date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:08:33 +0000
from: Richard Stover <rstover@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

It appears that some folks on this email thread misunderstood my comments
defending the reputation of the channel partners (affiliates). I
apologize if I was not clear. In a prior email to the group there was a
cautionary message that in affect said, understand the language and
intent in your software contract with Infor before deciding the source of
services. There was a subsequent email suggesting that maybe channel
partners should not be part of this email-based support group because
they might use it as a excuse to go phishing (trolling) for business. My
response (I thought) clearly stated that those types of activities were
(first) against the rules of this group, and (second) unprofessional. I
followed that with a statement that the channel partners work together to
maintain their professional approach.

Now, please, let's get on with the business of helping each other solve
issues and have a positive impact on our employer's businesses.

Best Regards

Richard (Dick) Stover
Consulting Manager?
Guide Technologies, LLC
A Gold Infor Channel Partner
215-499-8530
rstover@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
DGowen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:26 AM
To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

I would suggest you contact Infor or an affiliate about licensing. I do
not feel it is an appropriate topic for this group.
Also, in the 18 years I have worked with this product the channel
partners and affiliates have been very helpful.

Diane Gowen
IT Manager
Moeller Marine Products




From: "Rusty Jackson" <RustyJackson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'" <mapics-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 10/30/2012 08:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
Sent by: mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



That is exactly how I read it Vanessa. I too am an independent service
contractor and would to understand what that means.

Rusty Jackson

-----Original Message-----
From: mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Vanessa King
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:07 AM
To: 'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

I believe the issue is that Brad indicates that using service providers
who are not Infor Partners is a violation of Infor's license agreement
and "may carry a significant financial remedy." As an independent service
contractor I'd like an explanation of what that means.

-----Original Message-----
From: mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Dave Shaw
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:46 AM
To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

May I ask what prompted this statement on this mailing list? I don't
recall seeing any discussion of 'personnel' in this thread prior to this
rather threatening comment. There had been recommendations to make
inquiries of Infor affiliates, but nothing about approaching anyone else.
I hope this isn't an indication of hostility to user groups on the part
of certain affiliates.

Dave Shaw
MAPICS-L manager


----- Original Message ----

From: Brad Spaits <brad.spaits@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion <mapics-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Mon, October 29, 2012 4:15:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

Just a caution that using non-Infor Partner personnel may violate the
Infor license agreement and may carry a significant financial remedy for
third party access of the customer's Infor XA system.

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message: 3
date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:40:37 -0500
from: Ronald Kral <ronkral169@xxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

Four or five remaining xa affiliates are trying to cover the entire United
States, but independent service contractors like Rusty Jackson and
non-affiliated companies hold 95% of the mapics knowledge nationwide. They
also make up a large part of this forum as well. Richard, you should work
nicely with everyone in order to maintain your professional approach and
not worry so much about the "positive impact on your employer's
business". After-all, it is the client's success that really matters.



On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Richard Stover <
rstover@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It appears that some folks on this email thread misunderstood my
comments
defending the reputation of the channel partners (affiliates). I
apologize
if I was not clear. In a prior email to the group there was a
cautionary
message that in affect said, understand the language and intent in your
software contract with Infor before deciding the source of services.
There
was a subsequent email suggesting that maybe channel partners should
not be
part of this email-based support group because they might use it as a
excuse to go phishing (trolling) for business. My response (I thought)
clearly stated that those types of activities were (first) against the
rules of this group, and (second) unprofessional. I followed that with
a
statement that the channel partners work together to maintain their
professional approach.

Now, please, let's get on with the business of helping each other solve
issues and have a positive impact on our employer's businesses.

Best Regards

Richard (Dick) Stover
Consulting Manager
Guide Technologies, LLC
A Gold Infor Channel Partner
215-499-8530
rstover@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of DGowen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:26 AM
To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

I would suggest you contact Infor or an affiliate about licensing. I do
not feel it is an appropriate topic for this group.
Also, in the 18 years I have worked with this product the channel
partners
and affiliates have been very helpful.

Diane Gowen
IT Manager
Moeller Marine Products




From: "Rusty Jackson" <RustyJackson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'" <mapics-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 10/30/2012 08:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink
Sent by: mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



That is exactly how I read it Vanessa. I too am an independent service
contractor and would to understand what that means.

Rusty Jackson

-----Original Message-----
From: mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Vanessa King
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:07 AM
To: 'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

I believe the issue is that Brad indicates that using service providers
who are not Infor Partners is a violation of Infor's license agreement
and
"may carry a significant financial remedy." As an independent service
contractor I'd like an explanation of what that means.

-----Original Message-----
From: mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Dave Shaw
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:46 AM
To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

May I ask what prompted this statement on this mailing list? I don't
recall seeing any discussion of 'personnel' in this thread prior to this
rather threatening comment. There had been recommendations to make
inquiries of Infor affiliates, but nothing about approaching anyone
else.
I hope this isn't an indication of hostility to user groups on the
part of
certain affiliates.

Dave Shaw
MAPICS-L manager


----- Original Message ----

From: Brad Spaits <brad.spaits@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion <mapics-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Mon, October 29, 2012 4:15:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

Just a caution that using non-Infor Partner personnel may violate the
Infor license agreement and may carry a significant financial remedy for
third party access of the customer's Infor XA system.

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message: 4
date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 16:05:03 +0000
from: Vic Belebczuk <vbelebczuk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

Group,
I do not want to see this thread become a forum questioning the value of
either Channel Partners or "non-Infor Partner personnel". Somehow the
thread on SystemLink transactions took a "left turn", perhaps due to a
user's recommendation, I'm not really sure. I totallly agree with the
establishment of this group for promoting knowledge and refraining
from selling services or showing any animosity to other members.
However, since an Infor Channel Partner brought it up, I am looking for
futher clarification on the statement "using non-Infor Partner personnel
may violate the Infor license agreement and may carry a significant
financial remedy for third party access of the customer's Infor XA
system" . Since there are others that have expressed a similar interest
I chose not to take this off-line. Its critical that I understand any
potential issues to protect my company's interests.
Thanks.


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message: 5
date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:18:34 -0700 (PDT)
from: Dave Shaw <daveshaw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: [MAPICS-L] Non-Infor Partner personnel discussion

If we're going to pursue this on the list, let's change the subject
heading,
please.

Thanks.

Dave Shaw
MAPICS-L manager



----- Original Message ----
From: Vic Belebczuk <vbelebczuk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion <mapics-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, October 30, 2012 12:05:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MAPICS-L] IM transactions via SystemLink

Group,
I do not want to see this thread become a forum questioning the value of
either
Channel Partners or "non-Infor Partner personnel". Somehow the thread
on
SystemLink transactions took a "left turn", perhaps due to a user's
recommendation, I'm not really sure. I totallly agree with the
establishment
of this group for promoting knowledge and refraining from selling
services
or showing any animosity to other members. However, since an Infor
Channel
Partner brought it up, I am looking for futher clarification on the
statement
"using non-Infor Partner personnel may violate the Infor license
agreement and
may carry a significant financial remedy for third party access of the
customer's Infor XA system" . Since there are others that have expressed
a
similar interest I chose not to take this off-line. Its critical that I
understand any potential issues to protect my company's interests.



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