Kevin - I thought you were referring to me but now I see that you were replying to Glen. Sorry about that.....it is early and I am on my first cup of coffee. Dale. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Fox [mailto:kdfox@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:37 PM To: 'MAPICS ERP System Discussion' Subject: RE: ALF's Glen, Did you ever get enough input on ILF fees to come up with something? Kevin -----Original Message----- From: LDegnon@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:LDegnon@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:25 PM To: 'MAPICS ERP System Discussion' Subject: ALF's I'm sure that I have seen this posted on this list several times, but here it goes... We have been using MAPICS for Approx. four years now, and it has just been brought to my attention that we are paying several thousand dollars more for our ALF's every year. I requested an explanation from MAPICS on this, and after about a month, they came back with a explanation that it "automatically" increases by 10% Annually. I then poured over our original contracts, and found no reference to this "Feature". We are also looking to Upgrade our AS/400 from a lowly 170e to an 800 series box-Model 2464 w/ 2.5 GB Memory,160 GB usable disk with RAID, (maybe then Browser will be somewhat usable) and as such have looked into changing from processor based licensing to user based. I was told by our affiliate that, in our case, the cost would be +- $30,000.00 to purchased the "Essentials Package, and on top of that we would have to also still pay the ILF for the first year. I don't know about all of you, but this seem mighty strange to me. When we initially purchased MAPICS, we paid for the software, which included the first year of Support and upgrades, (Kinda like the rest of the world does it!!!) but now we are faced with $30,000.00 for the software, and $30,000 for the ILF??? Somehow, this just does not seem to be on the up and up, any feedback would be fantastic, as I just want to know what others in our shoes have had to do... Also, what are the experiences out there with Browser and other MAPICS interfaces on this type of box with 100% 100mb full duplex Switched Segments to desktops, Desktops being P4's of at least 2.4ghz, 1024mb ram, Xp pro? With our 170e, we typically can go get a cup of coffee and come back to an hourglass when we open a "query" in Browser, any "query"... I'd hate to get what I'm asking for and not have it solve our situation, not good for job security, if you know what I mean. (If my affiate is out there, this is in no way directed towards you, just trying to understand the "New Math in Atlanta") Lloyd H. Degnon I.S. Manager AmPro Computers, Inc. 5215 Hellyer Ave. Building #110 San Jose, CA 95138 (408) 360-4365 ldegnon@xxxxxxxxx www.AmPro.com _______________________________________________ This is the MAPICS ERP System Discussion (MAPICS-L) mailing list To post a message email: MAPICS-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/mapics-l or email: MAPICS-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/mapics-l.