RE: Recording Machine Down Time

[Philip Freimann <PFreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

You bring up some good points.  I never discount your input - you're
normally right on.  I appreciate reading your input to the group.

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From: Leleux@shur-lok.com [mailto:Leleux@shur-lok.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:42 PM
To: mapics-l@midrange.com
Subject: RE: Recording Machine Down Time


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Does not distort payroll.
In terms of division of man-hours, it all depends on how you look at it.
We have a woman working three screw tappers, her time is split between
the two machines as she is capable (and expected) to do so.  Each job
is getting 1/3 her time.  So machine 1 becomes unavailable for tooling
reasons, she clocks off that job, onto the 'waiting for tool repair' job.
The two running jobs still get 1/3 her time, and the waiting job gets
1/3.  Our philosophy is that since she divides her time anyway, the
remaining jobs shouldn't go to 1/2 because they don't need that
level of attention - nor will they get it as that would falsely increase
the cost of that job.  She may spend her time cleaning her area
(we have a job for that!) or prepping for another job (not necessarily
setup).
We can analyze the 'variance' jobs and get some feedback on
shop problems, such as tool repair, raw material shortages, etc.
And hopefully get to the bottom of things, all in the name of improvement,
not punishment.
Can't answer the overhead issue at the moment, but I think it would and
should if the employee is under-utilized.  Kinda like a very expensive
CNC being used for penny parts, you still gotta pay for the machine even
if the jobs don't.
Forgive me if my explanations are oversimplified or shortsighted, I'm a
techie!
Philip Freimann <PFreimann@cranecams.com>
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06/06/2002 08:23 AM
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We do that to.  But in this case the employee is on another job - he is not
idle - the machine is idle.
If you created a "job" for the machine down time - the hours charged to it
would go as indirect labor hours.  Wouldn't that distort the overhead and
labor or payroll hours?
We also have a stand alone maintenance and repair system - but that would
only record the time a repair person is actually working on the machine,
which could be quite different from it's total down time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Leleux@shur-lok.com [mailto:Leleux@shur-lok.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:24 AM
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Subject: Re: Recording Machine Down Time
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We have 'job's set up for specific activities such as
'waiting for raw material', meetings, 'waiting for tool
repair' etc.  You can create a 'job' for a specific
machine (work center) to be used when it's down.
We have a report that analyses employees variance
time, if they're not on a job......enquiring minds want to
know why!
I wonder if MAINCOR addresses it?  Since there
is a web client that can be used in the shop, the
machinist could enter the data.  Good question,
especially since we have MAINCOR!
Philip Freimann <PFreimann@cranecams.com>
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06/06/2002 07:46 AM
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Has anyone found a creative way to record the period of time that a machine
is not available?
The operator is moved to another job, so he can not record time against it.
The Maintenance person might not get to it for days - if waiting for parts,
so the amount of time they spend "on the repair" is not relevant.  We can't
record indirect hours that would be added to the overhead.
Philip R. Freimann
Director of Information Technology
Crane Technologies Group
(386) 252-1151, ext. 1,4282
mailto:PFreimann@CraneCams.com
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