Joe wrote:
Bait and switch means you are paying considerably
more for something than promised...
If IBM had wanted to bait with the free WDSCi and later switch to the
licensed RDi, how would IBM have done things differently from what has
happened so far?
Why doesn't IBM release WDSCi to an open source project, like they
released Toolbox for Java to the JTOpen community?
Joe wrote:
The only real complaint I can see for most people is that
in my opinion IBM should charge nothing for switching from
ADTS to RDi. Anything they charge for that switch is a
true double charge.
I'm still missing something. Why would you feel IBM should not charge
for switching from ADTS to RDi? If ADTS and RDi are going to cost the
same under the new plan, there is no charge for switching from one to
the other, right? There must be something I'm leaving out.
We have 28 developers, and I'd say about half use ADTS and half use
WDSCi (each developer gets to choose which set of tools they use). I
suspect our managers will not pay for both ADTS and RDi. So about 14
developers are going to move from ADTS to RDi, or about 14 developers
are going to move from WDSCi to ADTS.
Thanks for the responses, Joe!
Kelly
-----Original Message-----
From: java400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:java400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Pluta
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:42 AM
To: Java Programming on and around the iSeries / AS400
Subject: Re: WDSC changing to RDi
Kelly Cookson wrote:
We spent money hiring consultants to come in and train all of our
developers how to use WDSCi. So that money might be money down the
drain. But that's not what's really driving my feelings of being
burned.
If they trained you on RSE and LPEX, then you didn't lose anything. I
have RDi installed, and it's exactly the same.
The comparison driving my feelings isn't the new cost of ADTS versus
the new cost of RDi. The comparison driving my feelings is the old
cost of WDSCi versus the new cost of Rdi, it's replacement. IBM can
make arguments detailing how it isn't really a bait and switch all day
long.
At a gut level it feels like a bait and switch, and it's at a gut
level where there's a sense of lost trust. That may not be a loss of
money...but it's a loss nonetheless.
That's simply unreasonable. They unbundled development tools from
compilers, and the same thing happened for people who weren't using WDSC
at all.
Bait and switch means you are paying considerably more for something
than promised (or receiving considerably less, and that's certainly not
the case here). So - did you do the math to determine the cost for your
shop? How much did your total cost rise? If you had 20 mixed OPM/ILE
developers on a P05, you got a big sticker shock. If you had three ILE
developers on a P10, the price dropped.
How did your price change? (In most shops the change in SWMA is
measured in under $1000 per year, plus or minus.)
I don't think I'll be promoting any new IBM technologies in my shop
because I don't trust IBM not to bait and switch me.
Again, you're going from an incorrect gut level feel. The only real
complaint I can see for most people is that in my opinion IBM should
charge nothing for switching from ADTS to RDi. Anything they charge for
that switch is a true double charge.
Joe
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