Re: WebSphere on NT vs. AS/400 -- JAVA400-L

Am Donnerstag, 16. Mai 2002 14:08 schrieben Sie:
> The iSeries supports 2 "full" versions of WebSphere - most recently that
> would be WAS Advanced Edtion V4.0 and WAS Advanced Single Server Edition
> V4.0.  I would suspect that iSeries would be willing to support Enterprise
> Edition (or most of it) when there are enough iSeries customers who need it
> and are willing to pay they price for it to make it feasable to produce it.
> Currently that set of customers does not exist.

it can't exist, as long as it is not supported. customers asking for it will
get the advice to move to WebSphere on WINTEL or RS6000. And the my question
is: why not move immediate?

>
> As far as wanting to be able to developt Web applications using standards,
> WAS V4.0 is fully J2EE 1.2 compliant on iSeries as it is on the other
> platforms.

I agree, but making calls to existing components, you can't use CORBA and you
have to use workarounds with stored procedures or even worse as400 Toolbox
and with each statement
AS400 myAS400 = new AS400();
you will leave all standards!

>
> On the lighter side, I think it is only fitting that iSeries marketers on
> road shows ask "what is enterprise edition",

this is telling me: as400 is not a strategic platform for WebSphere

> when I have heard that some
> non-iSeries marketers have been known to ask "what is AS/400".

this is telling me: as400 is no strtegic product for IBM
>
> And lastly, I will try not to respond to anymore notes on this thread as I
> have found it is generally a losing proposition, and being a developer I am
> probably not the correct person to jump into the fray.
>
> Frances Stewart
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> Am Mittwoch, 15. Mai 2002 21:28 schrieben Sie:
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> Mark, and Joe and other
>
> >�>In my opinion WebSphere is not a strategical product on OS/400
> >
> >That is an absolutely ludicrous statement. �I think there is no product
> >that is more "strategic" for IBM and the iSeries than WebSphere.
>
> and there was no product, that was more strategic than Office Vision and
> Firewall
> WebSphere is  a strategic product for IBM, but the as400 is not the
> strategic
> platform for websphere and that's not making me happy.
>
> >>�On AS/400 the CORBA components are missing, for example.
> >
> >Post some specifics of things you can do on other platforms that you
> >cannot do on the iSeries.
>
> from the IBM Websphere specification sheets:
>
>               Message beans and JMS listener
>               Business rules support
>               Internationalization service
>               Shared work area support
>               Bidirectional CORBA connectivity
>               C++ CORBA SDK to leverage C++ code
>               ActiveX bridge to reuse Microsoft assets
>               Business process beans technology preview
>               High-speed transaction processing support
>               An industry-leading messaging solution with MQSeries software
>
> I mentioned CORBA, because it is the standard for using components cross
> system; you can do this on as400, but you have to use the toolbox
> workarounds
> and you can't use the standards. And this doesn't make me happy too.
>
> >Then someone can respond to you.
>
> and this person would have to clarify why ibm takes a lot of money for the
> enterprise edition, containing features people don't need.
>
> >�If you are
> >really interested in these issues (I do not think you are),
>
> I'm interested in developing web applications with standards, I'm not
> interested in work arounds and I'm interested in strategic solutions and it
> doesn't make me happy seeing what ibm is doing with as400.
>
> >then why don't
> >you post the questions on IBM's WebSphere for OS/400 newsgroup?
>
> The only question I have is: when will the as400 support the full version
> of
> Websphere ???
> BTW, asking this questions on as400 road shows the marketiers answered
> 'what
> is the enterprise edition?
>
> >Mark
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