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Thanks, Richard.  That makes sense.  You shouldn't need the toolbox to
access data via JDBC.  JDBC drivers are shipped with the database, similar
to the way that the JVM is shipped with the operating system.  The only
difference is that in this case, the database and the OS are integrated.

And please, folks, don't get the idea that I'm 100% against JDBC, my
original inflammatory statement to the contrary <grin>.  I've come to the
conclusion that there are applications where SQL (and by extension JDBC) can
be very effective.  And there are some where, frankly, JDBC is the required
regardless of performance issues (for instance, if you're accessing a
non-DB2 database).

It seems to me that there are entire classes of business transactions where
SQL is probably better suited than native I/O.  Month-end and year-end file
updates come immediately to mind.  For any sort of set-based processing -
that is, business problems that are naturally suited for set-based
processing, not applying set-based processing to traditional business
problems - SQL should be considered.  But even so, the SQL should always be
encapsulated, either in server programs on the host or in data source
classes.  If you have naked SQL statements in your application mainline,
this is begging for trouble.

Joe Pluta
www.plutabrothers.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: java400-l-admin@midrange.com
> [mailto:java400-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Richard Dettinger
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:34 AM
> To: java400-l@midrange.com
> Subject: RE: Data access across libraries
>
>
>
> Sorry to jump in... the answer is no.  Its shipped with the OS as part of
> the Java Developer Kit.
>
> Richard D. Dettinger
> AS/400 Java Data Access Team
>
> Democracy's enemies have always underestimated the courage of the American
> people.
> It was true at Concord Bridge.  It was true at Pearl Harbor.  And it was
> true today.
>
>          Rochester Post-Bulletin
>          Tuesday September 11, 2001
>
>
> "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@PlutaBrothers.com>@midrange.com on 10/16/2001
> 10:34:43 AM
>
> Please respond to java400-l@midrange.com
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> To:   <java400-l@midrange.com>
> cc:
> Subject:  RE: Data access across libraries
>
>
>
> I guess the JDBC native driver team is a different group from the toolbox
> team, Fred?  I get confused sometimes.  Is the native driver located in
> jt400.jar, or in jt400ntv.jar?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Pluta
> >
> > on the contrary, the toolbox guys have worked really hard
>
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