RE: VAJAVA vs CODE/400 -- JAVA400-L

Did you have a look a Borland's JBuilder yet?

In my opinion it's better than VAJAVA allthough it contains some smaller
bugs too. Both have advantages and disadvantages. I prefer JBuilder because
it allows me to code in a way I'm used to. (MS look and feel)
VAJAVA should be used by people with a proper understanding of Javabeans, 
certainly when usng the VCE.

IBM tells us that in combination with the iSeries VAJAVA &
the other WDT/400 tools should be used. It's also my experience that
using this tools is not allways the best solution:
- Code/400 crashes all the time (IBM DemoPackage)
- Have you ever installed Websphere on NT? Got it working?
- I've never heard more complaints about a product (Websphere)

IBM wants to consolidate all these tools (VAJAVA, Studiio, Code/400, ... )
into one final product over the years. I see a long road ahead of us.

In fact, you could use any tool to do your java server development
(servlets, EJB, 
client-server, jsp, ...) The only thing needed is the AS/400 toolbox for
java if you want to connect to the iSeries. One is then "tied" to the
AS/400.
If an "open" solution is asked you should go for the EJB and/or servlets/jsp
programming 
model using JDBC to access any machine's DB. (Stored procedures)

At runtime a "good" application Server is needed to run your java server
applications:
- easy to install and configure
- easy to maintain
- scalable
Is IBM's Websphere one of them? A lot of good things is being said about V4.
Tell that to
a client who has lost a lot of time installing WAS V2 & V3.5.2 and who feels
he hasn't 
bought the right product. 

If wanted you can find free tools for both develoment and runtime
environment on the internet
(jboss, tomcat, AS/400 toolbox for Java, ...)

It's monday after all.



Geert Van Landeghem






-----Original Message-----
From: MWalter@hanoverwire.com [mailto:MWalter@hanoverwire.com]
Sent: maandag 18 juni 2001 13:54
To: JAVA400-L@midrange.com
Subject: Re: VAJAVA vs CODE/400



THAT'S IT. I'VE HAD IT. I've tried all weekend to make VAJAVA work for me.
It locks up, the debugger doesn't work when I want it to, and after a
problem, I can't save my source.

The only reason I started using it (VAJAVA) is to have a debugger that
works, since the debugger shipped with WDT/400 doesn't support the JDK
shipped with WDT/400. Now that makes allot of sense.

IBM promotes Java as the best thing since sliced bread. They tool the death
bell of native development paradigms. They tell developers that they should
learn the "new" technologies and I, for one, embrace learning new things.
I've finally, in the last month, was able to put aside the some time
explicitly for learning Java. The language itself doesn't seem that
difficult and the learning curve is not as steep as I had heard. But the
tools provided by IBM, in my opinion are atrocious.

People on these lists spend allot of time and energy slamming MS. I, for
one, feel that anyone developing an IDE for any environment should look at
VB. MS got it right with that one.

OK, I'm done with my Monday morning rant.

Mark



Mark Walter
Sr. Programmer/Analyst
Hanover Wire Cloth a div of CCX, Inc.
mwalter@hanoverwire.com
http://www.hanoverwire.com
717.637.3795 Ext.3040

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