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The "bad Java" article says, among many other things: The vast majority of the high-profile attempts to use Java to create major desktop applications have failed. This article seems to be a pro-Microsoft article. I notice there is a lot of talk about failures that are a year or more old, a few notices about running embedded (where even it doesn't seem to be able to claim Java fails) and nothing whatever that I saw about Java on the server, which may be Java's greatest success platform. In short, the focus is on the areas most important to Microsoft and the facts seem decidedly old and out of date. Admittedly, I didn't read it like I would read a patent filing (not worth that kind of exam IMHO), but I didn't see it. Interesting that some "survey" with 38 whole programmers is cited as proof Java has poor productivity. That sounds just like the weight loss cures; far too easy to prove the result you set out to prove. Admittedly, such things are hard and expensive to do, and maybe is on the up-and-up, but given the rest of the article, which seems to me distinctly pro-Microsoft, I take that particular survey with a grain of salt. Speaking personally, I am a pretty darn good C++ programmer, but Java is just plain more productive for most business-related things and I know plenty who are fluent in both that agree with me. This makes me wonder who is behind "salon" magazine? Is it just into being outrageous? Or, is this a Microsoft organ, official or unofficial? I couldn't find out readily from wandering the web site. There are places in the world that do make it their mission to promote Redmond whether they are bought and paid for by MS or not. The "next" article is all about the death of Pascal, which sounds kind of hype-y, but it might surprise the Delphi community that I don't even participate in. But, of course, it is just the sort of storyline that Microsoft would love to see. . . Larry W. Loen - Senior Java and AS/400 Performance Analyst Dept HP4, Rochester MN +--- | This is the JAVA/400 Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to JAVA400-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to JAVA400-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to JAVA400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner: joe@zappie.net +---
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