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Eric wrote (of static compilers for Java and why there aren't many): >I am aware of only a few that are >still an active project. Ibm has the hpj, symantec has >its compiler, tower produces one as well. You would >think that there would be more. I could be that the >JIT makes this unneeded, but there would be some >benefit in makeing full blown compiled code and >incuring the compile time only once. The JIT does make this less necessary for reasons I have already give. But, there's more to it than that. The main reason is that a traditional static compile either stretches or outright breaks a few of Java's rules. This limits the appeal of static compilation. In particular, Java wanted to be extremely network friendly and permit bytecodes (e.g. applets) to be freely downloaded across the network. It also wanted the bytecodes not to be downloaded until needed if that's what was wanted by the application/applet/servlet designer. A direct consequence of this strategy is that you might begin execution with a child class that is not present, but its parent is and then later ask for the child class. You can achieve this effect somewhat with DLLs in C++ (C++ *SRVPGM in OS/400), but there are subtleties that make Java even more dyamic than regular DLL linkage. In particular, it is possible (in principle and sometimes in practice) to load _all_ the DLLs you require at the very beginning of executing a program. This means they all have to be there whether you use them or not. Java explicitly does _not_ require this in theory or in practice. In many real-world cases (especially a more traditional application that you probably have in mind) running under what amounts to DLL/EXE rules does not burden a Java application. This is why there can be static compilers out there to begin with. The designer agrees, in effect, to have everything present at compile time, just as usual, and forgo some dynamic capability. For those of us who want to write true applications, this is not normally a burden; we'd tend to do this automatically. But, for other uses of Java, this is more of a problem (e.g. some kinds of JSPs, perhaps). Here, you might be producing Java code "on the fly" either as bytecodes or as source that gets compiled (a la JSPs). Java actually controls this through their compliance suite. To be able to say you are Java compliant, you have to fulfill a great many subtle rules about allowing dynamic class loading. One of the many remarkable feats of the AS/400 Java Transformer team was doing a something very much like a static compile while still achieving full compliance. This was not easy. If you look carefully, I suspect you'll find products like Symantec only claim full compliance when running in their regular JIT mode and not in the compile mode. It's been a while, but when I read the web pages of the static compile products, the ones I remember had a pretty prominent disclaimer pointing out what I say above, if more concisely and more discretely. It's the sort of thing that a heavy Java gear head / compiler writer will know, but an ordinary application writer will get right when doing an application, kind of reflexivley, and not read the fine print. Yet, that same coder will also use the regular, official, fully dynamic Java rules when writing servlets and JSPs. This is kind of cool, really, even if the Java purists don't like it much. They think everyone should be fully dynamic all the time. But, best of all, when doing OS/400 Java, it's easier still, because all our code is complaint and you don't have to know all this stuff (except for the fun of it). Larry W. Loen - Senior Java and AS/400 Performance Analyst Dept HP4, Rochester MN -- +--- | This is the JAVA/400 Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to JAVA400-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to JAVA400-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to JAVA400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner: joe@zappie.net +---
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