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Tom, with Cher in mind, I turned back time (thanks by the way for getting that song into my head!!!). Interesting note: when I opened a copy of the restored file, there were 81 "Writes" in the user detail right when I opened it. After changing my PC date, I opened the Trash and there were, you guessed it, 81 documents there. So we know that the client opening a db will enforce the removal of soft-deleted documents... I'll place a call with support sometime to see if there's a better way to do this. But to quote my director: "Would you leave trash in your backyard for 2 weeks in the event that you may need something that you threw out? Why would you delete something that you possibly may need in the future?" =) Chris Whisonant Comporium Senior Mid-Range Systems Administrator IBM eServer Certified Systems Expert - iSeries Technical Solutions V5R2 IBM Certified System Administrator - Lotus Notes and Domino 6/6.5 IBM Certified Associate Developer - Lotus Notes and Domino 6/6.5 803.326.7270 | 803.326.6142 fax http://cwhisonant.blogspot.com/ Tom Kreimer <tkreimer@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: domino400-bounces+chris.whisonant=comporium.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx 03/13/2006 12:44 PM Please respond to Lotus Domino on the iSeries / AS400 <domino400@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To Lotus Domino on the iSeries / AS400 <domino400@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject Re: Restore Database Issue I didn't find anything that said exactly when/how the trash was emptied, but what is it is done by a view re-build, either by UPDALL or when you open the view? If so, what if you "turn back time" (in my best 'Cher' voice) on the PC before you open the database locally? Just be careful not open an server based databases while the clock is turned back. Just a guess. ==================================== Tom Kreimer Information Alternatives I guess another question would be whether the receipt was in the trash. The user would have simply deleted it and waited for the Soft Deletion process to clear it from the trash. So, if he had deleted it on March 1st, it should have at least been in the trash for that nightly save. SOMETHING should have been in the trash... haha Chris Whisonant Comporium Senior Mid-Range Systems Administrator IBM eServer Certified Systems Expert - iSeries Technical Solutions V5R2 IBM Certified System Administrator - Lotus Notes and Domino 6/6.5 IBM Certified Associate Developer - Lotus Notes and Domino 6/6.5 803.326.7270 | 803.326.6142 fax http://cwhisonant.blogspot.com/ domino400-bounces+chris.whisonant=comporium.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 03/13/2006 11:25:55 AM: > I know nothing about BRMS, but are you sure that the receipt was present > in the database at the time that the backup was made? Can you restore an > earlier backup when the receipt was not yet in the trash? > > Number one problem I run into with restores is the discovery that the > document didn't exist in the database when the save was made, so naturally > I can't restore it from that save media, so I thought it was worth > asking.... > > Patrick > > > > > Chris Whisonant <Chris.Whisonant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent by: domino400-bounces+ptrapp=nex-tech.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx > 03/13/2006 09:14 AM > Please respond to > Lotus Domino on the iSeries / AS400 <domino400@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To > Lotus Domino on the iSeries / AS400 <domino400@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > cc > > Subject > Restore Database Issue > > > > I have a user who deleted a business receipt on either 3/1 or 3/2. When I > restore his mail db there is NOTHING in his Trash. > > I'm restoring with BRMS and I'm restoring the database to a path outside > of the Domino Data directory. I'm thinking there are some issues with the > soft deletions being processed and just wiping everything out since it's > over the 48 hour mark. That's one reason I restored it outside of the Data > > directory - I didn't want replication to pick it up as a replica and > delete the trash. > > So how in the world can I get to this document? > > Chris Whisonant > Comporium > Senior Mid-Range Systems Administrator > IBM eServer Certified Systems Expert - iSeries Technical Solutions V5R2 > IBM Certified System Administrator - Lotus Notes and Domino 6/6.5 > IBM Certified Associate Developer - Lotus Notes and Domino 6/6.5 > 803.326.7270 | 803.326.6142 fax > http://cwhisonant.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ This is the Lotus Domino on the iSeries / AS400 (Domino400) mailing list To post a message email: Domino400@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/domino400 or email: Domino400-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/domino400. 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