Kenneth, I appreciate your comments. Being a former CIO, I spent approximately 40% of my time mentoring the staff and developing technologists into business people. I have continued to spend on my own education since partnering with two other people in 2000. My one issue is finding the right education and not wasting time and money. I want Real World education not education that works great in the lab. If we can't add bottom line value to our clients then we pass on the project. We consult in different worlds, AS/400, Microsoft, Internet, etc.. So we are always looking for education that is outside of just IBM and the AS/400. It was a bit disappointing upon joining this list that messages show up only every month or so. Speaking to the independents, it seems to me that most AS/400 consultants are in a job not running a business. Dan Neal From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On Behalf Of Kenneth H. Werner Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 12:12 PM To: email@example.com Cc: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: [Consult400] iSeries Nation and this list Janet: (on my soap box) One of the duties of a CIO or VP/Director of IT is to select and hire the most qualified staff, internally mentor them for growth and use external training delivery to advance their skills (COMMON, IBM Technical Conferences, free on line education such as from PartnerWorld, IBM Education, academic/continuing courses at local colleges, from vendors <e.g. JD Edwards, SAP> and many other available channels). The CIO or VP/Director that fails here needs to make sure their resume is up to date. Rather than managers firing employees, employees fire managers and the lack of education is one reason employees fire managers. Additionally, any CEO that attends a CEO Workshops learns to monitor that their CIO/VP/Director is growing the staff with training and show them what a HP pink slip looks like if they don't. (now that it is established that proprietary employees need education, my soap box goes after consultants) Any consultant that doesn't keep up -- this might be measured by that they purchase an IBM Education card every third year (only like $6,000 for a year), or that they attend COMMON 4 our of 5 times or they are working on a MBA or similar --- is killing their career and need to seek employment with the security agency that pays $6.25 per hour to check people at the airport security point. The opportunity cost of having to take a week off for education is minor when compared with a lost career. The decision is spending $6,000 out of pocket and $6,000 missed earnings per year or dropping our of their career. I saw an IEEE chart showed an increase of 280 percentage in the number of unemployed IT workers between the years 1997 and 2000. Yes, while we went through Y2K the number of unemployed went up. Prior to 1997 it looked like the number was stable for years. This increase should wake up any consultant skipping education. What can iNation do --- 1) There was a consultants relations group housed in Canada that registered consultants could call or e-mail for answers, publications, etc. Many consultants found it useful. In Lou's cost cutting it went out of business several years ago. May be an e-mail list that consultants could post questions to and other could answer. 2) Tell every consultant that they should know the NAME AND PHONE NUMBER OF THEIR IBM CLIENT REPRESENTATIVE, KNOW WHAT THEY DO and tell consultants what to do (I believe just have an IBM customer number) to have a client representative. 3) Suggest that every consultant subscribe to any list of education - I believe iSeries Magazine and IBM Education Atlanta both have one. 4) Tell consultants what PartnerWorld is and qualification for its levels of membership. I will shut up email@example.com wrote: >I've had several chats recently with Anne Lucas, who took over the iSeries >Nation when Malcom Haines left. One of things we've discussed is whether there >would be any benefit to creating subgroups for the citizens to belong to. > >Specifically, are there special things iSeries consultants are looking for from >the iSeries Nation? Are there things we can learn from each other that we don't >learn interacting with the community as a whole? > >Are there any special services or deals IBM could/should offer consultants who >are members of the iSeries Nation? > >Are there any special services or deals we, as consultants, could offer to other >citizens? And if so, how could IBM support making those available? > >Lots of questions! > >Janet Krueger >Andrews Consulting Group >507 529 8777 ext 110 > >P.S. Anne has assured me she does have *some* funding, so if we come up with >good ideas that would benefit the iSeries Nation, there is a possibility she >could help get them implemented... > > >_______________________________________________ >This is the Consulting on the iSeries / AS400 (Consult400) mailing list >To post a message email: Consult400@midrange.com >To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, >visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/consult400 >or email: Consult400firstname.lastname@example.org >Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives >at http://archive.midrange.com/consult400. > > > _______________________________________________ This is the Consulting on the iSeries / AS400 (Consult400) mailing list To post a message email: Consult400@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/consult400 or email: Consult400email@example.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/consult400.