RE: Poor Code presentation -- CODE400-L

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That whole thing just blows me away, Rob! Who in their right mind would dare
to show up and speak on something they know nothing about?

Since you brought it up, how do you compile a pgm that requires overrides to
compile? I haven't tried that with codeedit yet, but I'm sure it would have
come up soon enough! If you know, please fill me in!

Thanks

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: rob@dekko.com [mailto:rob@dekko.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:34 AM
To: code400-l@midrange.com
Subject: RE: Poor Code presentation



Actually we offer $100.  Most of the times the speakers turn down the
gratuity and speak out of the kindness of their hearts.  Or for PR for
their company.  Actually the meeting is quite well attended for a local
user group.  At least Roger Pence seemed to think so when he appeared.

Rob Berendt

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How much does a guy like that get paid?

:)

-----Original Message-----
From: David Schopp [mailto:dschopp@imt.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:38 AM
To: code400-l@midrange.com
Subject: RE: Poor Code presentation


I see a couple of terrible things happened here.

1.  An hour late with no notification?  Tsk, tsk.  Respectability is in the
toilet.

2.  The organizer should have verified the speaker's qualifications and
presentation.  I would have thought that this would have identified
problems
or "red flags" beforehand.

3.  What sort of follow up or rebuttal was done?  Was it (as it sounds)
audience members correcting/debating with the presentor?  Was there a
session director that could mediate the "damage" done by this guy?

It sounds like you need a REAL expert or some "in the field" users present
the REAL Code/400.

This was a real shame to your user group members.  I hope they don't see
this as a reflection on the User Group and decide that it's not really
worth
their time.

Sounds like "damage control" is needed now.

Dave


> -----Original Message-----
> We had a gentleman speak at our user group meeting last night
> about Code.
>
> 1)  He showed up an hour late.  Got lost and never took
> advantage of the
> cell phone and pager numbers given him.
>
> 2)  Had so many errors in his presentation that were
> destructive at best.
> Like - did you know they dropped the Project Organizer in
> V5R1?  Could have
> fooled me.  I've not been using any release except V5R1 and I
> see it there.
> Found out he had trouble getting it working in V5R1 so he assumed they
> dropped it.  (The epitome of defining assume.)
> a)  He never ran the verifier - says he always compiles didn't know
> anything about how it worked - like file definitions, etc.
>
> People started walking out like lemmings.  Granted many of
> them came from a
> distance and wanted to get home.
>


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