Re: Getting started with Code/400

One hassle I have is getting used to the changes in keys. OK, I resist
change as longs as I can. When the 3196 came out, I wouldn't touch it until
I couldn't 5250 keyboard anymore. When they came out with the "pc like
keyboard." same thing. Now I'm crossed between to AS/400 worlds. I still
like my right control to function as Enter and my enter key to be field
exit.

When I go to code, I don't find a way to make that a happen, so I am sure I
am entering Ctl many times I want something to happen. Once in code, I don't
find a way to press field exit, blanking the rest of the line and going to
the line below. I don't find a way to reset back to what the display just
had a minute ago by pressing 1 key (F5) I have to pull down Edit, select
Undo and hope I click on it right, because if I didn't I get some other
thing to back out of.  Oh, yes. I can still use the line commands like
before, but getting the cursor over to that side of the screen seems very
unresponsive to me.  I can also press Ctl-Z to undo whatever I have done,
but who remembers that. F5 has been the reset function key when editing
source since at least 1988 and I think it may have existed since the
beginning of programming on this machine. That is what feels so weird.  I
hit the wrong key and it stubbornly sits there and does nothing!

If I do use the right keys it is powerful, but figuring it out a very
different game. The online help very neat if I have an RPG or language
related question. It is nearly useless if I have any questions about how to
use code.

Violaine's book is more helpful, but she goes from talking about how to set
filter's on the library list,  to talking about how to run the program in
DOS mode in the next paragraph of the same section of the book. How many of
use will ever run the program in DOS mode?

Today we find out CODE designer can't even handle *AFPDS box and line
functions that have been part of the AS/400 for as long as ILE has been
around.

We were running V3.2.3 and couldn't access our large production libraries
because code would crash, and you would have to reboot. One of our users
just put up v4.5 Websphere and said it works a bit slow but does open the
large libraries now.

What we need is standard tools that work for everything. Tools that do the
job efficiently. When new things are added, we need those tools to handle
all enhancements as quickly as possible. Don't out date our old tools by
leaving them behind while giving us incomplete new tools that can't handle
the jobs we have for them to do.

That's my two cents worth. I have been working on this platform since '79
and know it well, but am not completely comfortable with code yet. As long
as I have to go through such drastic changes, you can forget all the
improved productivity it gives because every time I press a right control,
I have wasted my time.

Code is a nice tool, but seems to not be quite ready for prime time in a
number of ways!

dwight hogancamp


----- Original Message -----
From: "Reggie Hooks" <rhooks11@excite.com>
To: <CODE400-L@midrange.com>; <CODE400-L@midrange.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Getting started with Code/400


> I just attended the Spring Common Conference in New Orleans. And you are
> partially correct about SEU, PDM. IBM will not enhance these tools.
However
> Code400 is the preferred tool and will be the target of IBM's R&D. SEU and
> PDM will still be part of OS400.
>
> About the topic of installation of Code400. I have installed it on
multiple
> NT machines with connection to OS400 V4r5 without any type of problems.
> Project Organizer, Code Designer, and Code Editor all work fine. What
> version of OS400 are you running?
>
>   Reggie
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 29 May 2001 09:47:07 -0400, CODE400-L@midrange.com wrote:
>
> >  RE: Getting started with Code/400Some of our staff went to the
Northeast
> user group meeting and came away with that understanding. If they were
> wrong, that would be good, but there were 5 of them down there who all
came
> away with the same understanding.
> >
> >  ddh
> >    ----- Original Message -----
> >    From: Chris Proctor
> >    To: 'CODE400-L@midrange.com'
> >    Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:27 PM
> >    Subject: RE: Getting started with Code/400
> >
> >
> >    Hi Dwight,
> >
> >    I'm curious where your getting your information from? This is the
first
> I heard about PDM, SDA, etc. going away! Is this something you've heard or
> is it fact? Just wondering.
> >
> >    Thanks
> >
> >    Chris
> >
> >    -----Original Message-----
> >    From: Dwight HoganCamp [mailto:Dhogancamp@ruger.com]
> >    Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:01 PM
> >    To: CODE400-L@midrange.com
> >    Subject: Re: Getting started with Code/400
> >
> >
> >
> >    Get used to the whole code package.  I've played with project, and
> designer
> >    too. I find a few drawbacks, but it does have a lot of nice features
> too.
> >
> >    The biggest thing nobody seems to be aware of is IBM plans to ditch
SEU
> SDA
> >    PDM with v5.1. They are also working on eliminating DDS.
> >
> >    Our world will be changing drastically, and the more we work with
that
> stuff
> >    the less shocking it will be.
> >
> >
> >
> >    ----- Original Message -----
> >    From: "Vernon Reeve" <reeve@starband.net>
> >    To: <CODE400-L@midrange.com>
> >    Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:28 PM
> >    Subject: RE: Getting started with Code/400
> >
> >
> >
> >    > I found it was pretty useless until a friend gave me a set of
macros
> (or
> >    as
> >    > IBM would call it "Extras") that make it function more like
Flex-Edit
> used
> >    > to.  So when someone new starts using it, I send them the Macros,
and
> a 2
> >    > page sheet describing them.  I don't use the project manager or any
> of the
> >    > rest of it, just the RPG, CL, DSPF... code editor.  I haven't tried
> the
> >    code
> >    > designer yet either because SDA seems quick enough.
> >    >
> >    > BTW: I used to like Flex-Edit, but it took them too long to get the
> TCP/IP
> >    > interface working.
> >    >
> >    > -----Original Message-----
> >    > From: owner-code400-l@midrange.com
> [mailto:owner-code400-l@midrange.com]On
> >    > Behalf Of Gwecnal@aol.com
> >    > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 8:53 AM
> >    > To: CODE400-L@midrange.com
> >    > Subject: Re: Getting started with Code/400
> >    >
> >    > I have tried two or three times to use Code/400.  We have it, I can
> >    install
> >    > it, and
> >    > it does appear to function - but the documentation is so poor that
I
> can't
> >    > actually
> >    > USE the product.  No printed manuals, vague and strange html help
> files
> >    that
> >    > look as though they were written by different teams that were
> forbidden to
> >    > speak
> >    > to each other, and the overall function of the Integrated
Development
>
> >    > Environment
> >    > seems to have been designed people that had used the popular ones
> (M$,
> >    > Borland)
> >    > and wanted to make sure that they could not be sued for look and
feel
>
> >    > infringement
> >    > so NOTHING works like anyone who uses Windoze would expect.  More
> OS/2ish.
> >    > I am not saying that it is a bad design paradigm - it might even be
a
>
> >    > superior one.
> >    > I can't tell because I can't use the product.  Every couple of
years
> I
> >    take
> >    > a
> >    > week
> >    > off, install everything, patch and PTF everything, run the
tutorial,
> and
> >    > then
> >    > try to
> >    > use Code/400 in production.  Then I have to put it all away and do
> real
> >    > work.
> >    > It is very frustrating because, generally speaking, I am not an
> idiot.  I
> >    > have lots
> >    > of experience in lots of platforms and in understanding all kinds
of
> >    > technical
> >    > stuff and I really, really want Code/400 to work so I can get off
of
> SEU.
> >    > Please, somebody at IBM write a manual!
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> Reggie,
>
> Back to where we never left -
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