RE: WDT400 announce and RPG -- CODE400-L

Hi Edmund,

I not knocking nothing..........Any progress is good.

JAVA v RPG..........
Do you seriuosly think development of server side components will continue
in RPG while other components are developed in Java?
Is Java not as good as RPG for server development. 
Can you see software developers teaching their Java programmers RPG? And
mixing it all together.........
I would say IBM may not be moving away from RPG but there are numbers of RPG
developers moving away from RPG............
Code 400 in Websphere indicates to me that IBM are allow developers to
migrate to Java while at the same time allowing support for all existing
code........
Eventually RPG will, (IMHO should) become a lesser component of
systems..............

Can you tell me where I can find the survey results that you mentioned?
What year where they gathered, (last century :-)
The RPG instant web offerings allow you to get your code onto the web but
still embed many limitations............

AS/400 only applications is a quote from the passed................therefore
migration to Java makes prefect sense...............
But.........
Ye can't drop everything in the one day.............
So......
IBM contined support for RPG?
I agreed to agreed and diagreed we you.........
Your right but eventually moving to more wrong............maybe never
totally wrong over the next 7 to 8 years but near enough..........
The none existance of a proper, marketed and widely available, (even free),
development tool by IBM AS400 for RPG development over the years is a
testament to this.
PDM is akin to using notepad on your PC for writing Java, perfectly
acceptable but a bit on the eh! side
Look how Sun have exploited Java and how quicly IBM got Visualage for java
out, now that better and has more a-peel!!

Now CODE 400..........
I been trying to but 8 copies of CODE 400 for a remote development team
since last year. The fact that we don't have an in house AS/400 has to this
point made this purchase impossible. 
So what are you going to do for me, a developer in need of assistance?
I not interested in buying hardware via PID, (so I can get the amazing
discounts),  as I do not want too support it. 

I only want to develop the code man!

CODE 400 allows me to do this better but it's not available in the shops,
must buy server side for AS400, eh! I just want the CD!
How about making the CODE 400 editor and Project Organiser free?
Ye can keep the rest for the time bean :-)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: edmund.reinhardt@ca.ibm.com [SMTP:edmund.reinhardt@ca.ibm.com]
> Sent: 14 June 2000 12:34
> To:   CODE400-L@midrange.com
> Subject:      Re: WDT400 announce and RPG
> 
> 
> 
> I'm sorry but I fail to see why you are concluding that IBM is moving away
> from RPG in this announcement.
> 
> RPG is still and will in all probability always remain to be THE best
> language environment to write server programs on the AS/400 with.  We are
> committed to enhancing it.  Surveys have shown that even those who
> understand Java very well, prefer to write AS/400 server programs in RPG.
> Included in this announce is a path to get even interactive RPG programs
> on
> the web without changing one line of your RPG.   You now have state of the
> art tools to build your RPG programs with that are bundled in just like
> SEU
> & SDA.
> 
> IBM is very committed to RPG which makes perfect sense for AS/400-only
> applications.  However for cross-platform and web applications, Java has
> strengths over RPG and we offer you premiere tools for developing those
> types of applications as well.  Whatever you want to build for the AS/400,
> we want to help you and give you the tools.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------
> 
> 
> Edmund Reinhardt, AS/400 AD Tools,  reinhard@ca.ibm.com
> Dept 607,   IBM Canada Lab           TL 778-4392  Phone 448-4392
> 
> 
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