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Thanks Paul,

I do understand what you are saying.  And I apologize for my last email
being so blunt...  

In the past two years, I've seen members asking for feedback from
companies using LX, and I heard there are companies out there using LX,
but I haven't seen any feedback from those companies (of course I may
have missed a few emails from this group; I try to read them all,
but...)

Also, I am secretly trying to light a fire under SSA to get them to
promote LX more to their current clients via a Webcast or local seminar
(maybe 60 to 90 minutes long) for either 4.05CD or all clients (OK, not
a secret anymore, teehee).   

In a nutshell, I see things in LX that would benefit my company and I
could generate ball park figures on cost savings; just need two other
things:

1.  Feedback on how well/functional the new features are, e.g., exit
points.
2.  What additional cost companies have run into w/ LX.
3.  What new knowledge is required to run LX, e.g., WebSphere, FM... (OK
3 things).

My SSA sales Reps have supplied me w/ some of this information already;
just like to hear from the LX users (and see Webcast).  And do not want
to pay additional fees to get answers; s/b covered under OGS, which we
pay lots for...  We may need additional help w/ some customizations and
implementation though if we do move forward w/ LX next year...  Again
thank you all for your input. 

Best Regards,

DeeDee Virgei
Project Leader

Nelson Stud Welding, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: bpcs-l-bounces+deedee.virgei=nelsonstud.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bpcs-l-bounces+deedee.virgei=nelsonstud.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Paul Reed
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:38 AM
To: 'SSA's BPCS ERP System'
Subject: Re: [BPCS-L] BPCS maintenance

Hi DeeDee:

I hope I didn't communicate that it doesn't make sense for people to
move to LX. Not at all. What I meant was, each company has to evaluate
the merits of an upgrade on its own. The particular client I mentioned
only has a need for the core manufacturing modules, and the existing
ones in 4.05CD satisfy their requirements. 

Other companies determined it makes sense to move to LX. 
For example: Which modules do you use? Will the enhancements in LX
streamline your business processes, improve efficiencies, etc? Are there
new modules in LX that your business could make use of? There are
additional packages that integrate outside of the core manufacturing
that may provide value to your enterprise. A cost benefit analysis would
determine if LX is right for you.

Sorry for any confusion...

Best regards,
Paul Reed
Advanced Systems and Products (ASAP)
PR@xxxxxxxxxxxx
www.BPCSPros.com

p.s. I used another PC to send this message earlier, sorry if it gets
duplicated.



-----Original Message-----
From: bpcs-l-bounces+pr=bpcspros.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bpcs-l-bounces+pr=bpcspros.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DeeDee
Virgei
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:57 AM
To: SSA's BPCS ERP System
Subject: Re: [BPCS-L] BPCS maintenance


Thank you Paul for sharing your LX experience.  It sounds like LX isn't
to the point where an upgrade is feasible...  Thanks again.

Regard,

DeeDee Virgei
Project Leader

Nelson Stud Welding, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: bpcs-l-bounces+deedee.virgei=nelsonstud.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bpcs-l-bounces+deedee.virgei=nelsonstud.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Paul Reed
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:54 AM
To: 'SSA's BPCS ERP System'
Subject: Re: [BPCS-L] BPCS maintenance

There have been quite a few customers that have raised concerns over
very high 'key fees' and the increase in OGS. 
If you are moving to a new processor, you won't have much of a choice in
paying the key fee. You could however, time your purchase to end of
fiscal quarter, reps are looking to make their sales numbers and may be
more willing to negotiate.

In the last few months we've seen an increase in the number of BPCS
companies switching from OGS to our BPCS Support services. (In addition
to the cost factor, we also support modifications, 3rd party packages,
interfaces, provide education and programming services, etc).
It boils down to financial calculations. If you feel the version you are
on is stable and satisfies your business requirements for the
foreseeable future, it may make sense to drop OGS until such time as new
features in BPCS warrant the expense of an upgrade. If you feel you will
want to upgrade in the next 2 years, it may make sense to keep OGS.

I use this analogy: I use Quicken. Each year they come out with a new
version, and let's say the new version costs $100. I look at what
features are included. If all I get are some new reports or different
layouts to the screen, it's not worth the investment. When Quicken began
allowing automatic downloads of stock quotes and bank/credit card
statements, that to me WAS worth the investment, as it would save me
let's say 1 hour a week for 52 weeks = 52 hours. $100/52 = $1.92 per
hour. I feel my time is worth more than $2 an hour so the expense to
upgrade was justified.

Folks at our company spent a fair amount of time reviewing LX both at
the BPCS shows and SSA demos for our clients. The most recent review was
done by a client on 4.05CD. While LX is a great product and based upon
our experience much better than SAP (in cost to implement/maintain alone
SAP can be 3x-10x more expensive), when we did our cost/benefit analysis
for the client, it didn't make sense to upgrade, and their management
concurred.
Several of our clients on version 8 also looked at LX and decided to
wait.
We think there are great things down the road. The Epiphany product
(recently acquired) will add a lot when thoroughly integrated. Some of
the other acquisitions need better integration as well. IMHO, 3 years
down the road there won't be an iseries package that's in the same
league as BPCS.

Best regards,
Paul Reed
Advanced Systems and Products (ASAP)
PR@xxxxxxxxxxxx
www.BPCSPros.com




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