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Hi
there are couple of issues :
1.the modifications- it is all ways difficult to find the border i believe
reports or inquiries ,are fine but core BPCS changes will get you nowhere
with future versions and that the main problem - if there are too many major
modifications that
leads you to stay with your current version you eventually tend to feel
your system is "old" ,"out dated" and "need to be replaced" so this is
something to think about when the next user request leads us to a big
modification
2.new names of newer system(without specifically naming them) with Gui
interfaces and a good marketing directed to the high level management
bypassing the IT manger
is also a big problem we encounter as some guys here said already the
grass is not so green once you made your move and signed the contract
we were quoted almost 2 years of implementation (we have 6 sites to
convert)
3.SSAGT not helping us with the inhouse constant "fight" by raising up the
maintenance and OGS price like you all know
that my humble opinion
Dan
mkleinman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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cc: "SSA's BPCS ERP System" <bpcs-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
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Subject: Re: For those moving off BPCS
David,
While many of my clients, both BPCS and non-BPCS, have had a similar
experiences, the fact is that unless a software user makes the commitment
to the COMPANY that develops the software, many problems will exist.
Even though 4.05CD still works for most clients, SSA is a for-profit
business and, believe it or not, has worked over the years to improve its
software so they could sell more of it. Most clients of BPCS never made
the
move to newer versions, stopping the software support licenses (and the
revenue that comes with it to SSA) which are vital to SSA's continued
success. Many companies are doing that now - moving to V8 and getting on
OGS. Which I personally think is probably a good idea for MOST companies -
not all.
If more firms were to follow the lead of the software firms product
lifecycle and new releases, they would be less prone to move off of the
product.
This assumes that the software STILL handles the business requirements of
the company that purchased it.
Climb on soapbox....
Now I know every company is different and I am sure that I will have
several people give me examples that my logic is flawed......such is the
nature of this list and public opinion. However I do think that most
companies would like to stay on BPCS or PRMS or Infinium. The problem lies
with the license contract, and I do not have to tell anyone here about
those issues. IMHO, if SSA would be a tad bit more reasonable, and if
clients would realize that there is VALUE in the software they have been
using OGS free for several years AND if they would be open to newer
version
of the software that there business's have run on for years, I think there
would be many more satisfied companies running this ERP solution.
my $.02
....off soap box.
So I guess I agree with you... (Smile)
Mitchell K. Kleinman
Executive Vice President
CCS - an IBM Premier Business Partner
949-476-0874 (Main)
949-261-3298 (Direct)
949-261-9164 (Office Fax)
425-940-1954 (eFax)
Mitch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
David Brown
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Just a word to those of you thinking of moving off of BPCS. I am in the
middle of an ERP implementation of 22 plants throughout North America. The
ERP system is not BPCS and after working with BPCS for 10 years as well as
other ERP systems. I wish the company I am working for choose BPCS or an
application that had half the functionality of BPCS. I always said ERP is
ERP and all the application have similar functionality, in most cases very
true, but not with all. So be very caution, because you are probably
going
to find out the grass is not greener on the other side of the fence. It
is
still green and the new software company will have the same functionality,
their support sucks, the maintenance is costly, they will stop supporting
your version and you are going to modify it.
And also remember the ROI comes from the business process improvement that
takes place during the implementation not from the application as the
software vendor is going to tell you.
Regards,
Dave
helen@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
I really agree with Sally. Constructive criticism, problem solving, and
tips & techniques are helpful to all who are using BPCS. However,.....BPCS
bashing is helpful to whom?
Helen Hull
Sr. Programmer/Analyst
Group Dekko Services LLC
(260)-347-3100 ext 70703
"Sally Bosman"
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Correct me if I'm wrong - but I thought this was meant to be a BPCS List
...
not an anti-BPCS list?!
Sally
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Statt Craig"
To: "SSA's BPCS ERP System"
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:44 PM
Subject: For those moving off BPCS
> To All,
>
> My company is an iSeries BP who has partnered with VAI Vormitagg
Associates
> as a ERP/MRP solutions provider. We are BP in North East US. We have
had
> success with migrating some industries over to this product, but I am
> curious what type of exposure VAI has in the industry.
>
> Has anyone who has looked at ERP / MRP for as/400 ever look into VAI's
> System 2000? and what was your impression of the product.
>
> More importantly anybody current implemented or have experience with VAI
> that you can share with me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Craig
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clare Holtham"
> To: "SSA's BPCS ERP System"
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 3:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Upgrade to v5r2 with BPCS v5.101
>
>
> > Nathan,
> >
> > True, however IBM said when they provided it for V5R1 that they would
not
> > provide it for V5R2. They have though....
> >
> > Clare
> >
> > Clare Holtham
> > Director, Small Blue Ltd - Archiving for BPCS
> > Web: www.smallblue.co.uk
> > IBM Certified AS/400 Systems Professional
> > E-Mail: Clare.Holtham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Mobile: +44 (0)7960 665958
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nathan Bennett"
> > To: "SSA's BPCS ERP System"
> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: Upgrade to v5r2 with BPCS v5.101
> >
> >
> > > Please bear in mind the QAQQINI 'solution' provided by IBM is
temporary.
> > No
> > > promise that they won't remove the supress warning option where you
> select
> > > more fields than you have defined to receive.
> > >
> > > Ultimately you will need to change the code.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bpcs-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bpcs-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > Behalf Of Clare Holtham
> > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:48 PM
> > > To: SSA's BPCS ERP System
> > > Subject: Re: Upgrade to v5r2 with BPCS v5.101
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, I have helped several clients upgrade to V5r1 and V5r2 with
> versions
> > of
> > > BPCS that were not 'fixed'. The only thing you have to do is make a
> small
> > > change to QAQQINI to tell the system to ignore SQL errors. You do
have
> to
> > > ensure you have all required PTFs beforehand though, and this means
cum
> > plus
> > > Database Group plus any extras, check the latest ones on the IBM
> website.
> > > Also you need to run the STROBJCVN against all the objects,
otherwise
> you
> > > can get locking problems as the objects are dynamically converted on
> first
> > > use, causing BPCS programs to fall over. The upgrade takes a long
> weekend!
> > > V5R2 is better than V5R1. It's a good idea to upgrade all the client
> > access
> > > at the same time. If your client has different languages on the
system
> > this
> > > could cause a few problems too. If you would like more details or
help,
> > > contact me offline,
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > > Clare
> > >
> > > Clare Holtham
> > > Director, Small Blue Ltd - Archiving for BPCS
> > > Web: www.smallblue.co.uk
> > > IBM Certified AS/400 Systems Professional
> > > E-Mail: Clare.Holtham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Mobile: +44 (0)7960 665958
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Statt Craig"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:26 PM
> > > Subject: Upgrade to v5r2 with BPCS v5.101
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear All;
> > > >
> > > > I have a customer that has heard not so good stories about
upgrading
> to
> > > V5R2
> > > > while running BPCS v5.101 due to 5.101s inbedding of the SQL.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any experience in this?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
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