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I'll be honest, doing away with SEU I understand, doing away with PDM (which comes with ADTS unless I misunderstood) would be crippling. But, I was willing to go without it for a cheaper RDi license. I wasn't involved in purchasing, and apparently that didn't end up to be a part of our purchase (thankfully).

Where I am now, I "got" a co-worker to switch, but it wasn't so much me saying, "Hey, you should switch and here's why." It was me constantly demoing code within RDi (WDSC at the time) and from sheer exposure my co-worker became interested in it. I may have said something in passing before like, "Boy I wish you used RDi " (when she was demoing code), but that was about it.

-Kurt

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From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vernon Hamberg
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:18 PM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Promoting WDSCi, RDp and/or RDi

As I replied to another post in this thread, management support or edict is almost required.

It is too bad that the threat of making SEU unavailable was made - this isn't even IBM's direction, in a way - they have a CL-only type PDM out there, so they recognize the need for some green in our world.

And I don't mean money - or maybe I do!!

Good luck!
Vern

On 12/19/2013 10:52 AM, Tarr, Kenneth wrote:
My last employer tried doing that. There was enough push back from the traditional green screen users because they were talking about making SEU unavailable. They made a convincing argument they couldn't do that...and thus the death of full RDP adoption.

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From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jones, Mike
Sent: December 19, 2013 10:02 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client
for System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Promoting WDSCi, RDp and/or RDi

I think it is great you're promoting RDi.

However, I learned a long time ago, it often doesn't matter what you say, regardless of the facts you present. What usually matters is, who delivers the message.

Recommend to their managers that using it should be considered mandatory and a requirement for them to receive a good performance review. The managers should be the ones pushing adoption of RDi.

Mike

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From: Paul Bailey [mailto:PaulBailey@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:16 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client
for System i & iSeries
Subject: [WDSCI-L] Promoting WDSCi, RDp and/or RDi


I've been using WDSCi/RDi/RDp (from now on, just RDi) for many years, and I have been the primary (if not sole) driver in getting my colleagues to use it.

In discussions with my colleagues I point out the features that make things easier, the tools that could make their programming lives just a little better. This is a tough argument because SEU/PDM still does things that can't be done in RDi, but I usually have a 50% success rate in the number of colleagues adopting RDi. The facts that SEU is now static even if RPG is not, and the general usage of an Eclipse tool will help advance/expand their careers and skillsets are also strong arguments. The learning curve is a downside, but I try to skirt around that.

I'm under time constraints all the time. It takes an hour or more to install and/or upgrade RDi and that time is often precious and needed elsewhere, so at the moment I am the only user in my company using the latest version (9.0.1). Two of my colleagues are still using v8.5 and today *both* of them came across the bug where source was saved in RDi but didn't turn up on the IBM i (no errors, the source just didn't get transferred.) There were tantrums, rants and toys were thrown out of prams (slight exaggeration, but you get the idea?) and now both are refusing to use the tool until it is updated. Their faith in the tool, and in my advice, has been damaged.

I guess I am just venting my frustration here and I apologise for bending your ears (screens?) but I am just wondering how successful others are at getting their colleagues to use the tool. What are your best arguments for all the SEU-fanboi nay-saying, and how do you recover from faith-damaging errors such as the one my colleagues suffered today?


-Paul.


PS Can I get some commission from IBM for being the only person in four different companies over the past 10-15 years that has championed RDi?




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