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The scroll bar feature, which is the only one I have directly implemented, doesn't work in Mochasoft and partially works in tn5250j (it pages rather than moves a line at a time).

Pete Helgren


Booth Martin wrote:
Honestly I don't know the answer, but I'd bet they don't. No one uses the features so why would others develop for it? However, please consider this:

Scroll bar: Advance the subfile some, or all, with a mouses drag. Want to click the subfile up just one line, or two? Not a problem with a scroll bar. Want to indicate the size of the subfile to the user? Automatically done for you.

Radio buttons: Need to make a selection and unselect the other choices? automatic, no programming.

Check boxes: Boolean yes/no choices? automatic.

Even on your browser you regularly use check boxes, radio buttons, and subfiles. Why the resistance by the old-line programmers? I certainly understand your position, Joe, but when I hear resistance from someone that intends to stay green screen, and also complain about Legacy stuff... it just frosts my cookies.




Joe Pluta wrote:
From: Booth Martin

You are right, Joe. I owe you an apology. Joe, please forgive my
irritation.
Well, it's no big deal. I just have never really found a need for those
keywords. Understand, too, that I sell a tool suite that converts DDS-based
applications to run in a browser, so forgive me if I'm not really all that
interested in applying some of the newer keywords <grin>.

Quick question: do the enhanced 5250 keywords work with emulators other than
Client Access, like TN5250 or Mochasoft? I'm just wondering for my own
edification.


I get upset when I see us midrange people refuse to even look at the
benefits of these keywords. The keywords solve so many design problems
for green screens and we will not even look to see what the keywords do,
and how easy they are to implement, use, and define.
I think they're interesting, but really, aren't they a little limited? For
example, unless I'm mistaken, you can't really specify things like different
colors for the choices in a SNGCHCFLD. Again, I'm not saying the keywords
aren't useful, just that they seem to be something of a stopgap.


I understand that Java is wonderful, and that the future is the
browser. I have been hearing that tune since 1995.
Java is what you make of it. It's an environment, and you can use it or
not. I happen to like it because it is a powerful, strictly typed language
that effortlessly crosses platforms and environments. But even so, it has
its place; I still haven't found a better language than RPG for business
logic.

But that's Java. You can take or leave Java. The browser is different.
The browser is not the future. It's the now. The only thing that may
supplant the browser (and that's a big "may") is rich client, and even if it
does it won't be for a while. If anything, rich client is the future.

Joe




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